Jack, I'm glad you don't mind if I take credit for creating sticks that make fire (hmmmm), but, I think your the only person that would say that. It sounds a little silly coming from a LSF President, but maybe you think you have license to try and put people down.
The program I created was called R/C Sailplane Club Program and I have a copy of the written program that was fist introduced to the Greater Detroit Soaring and Hiking Society in 1997 and was embraced by Jack Iafret in the club's contests and newsletter. Memory tells me that Cal Posthuma, who likely was the LSF President at the time introduced it to LSF with some modification to it by a club in a western state that I can't recall the name of. I would appreciate it if Cal would clarify this for me and the readers of RCSE. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Strother" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ray Hayes. Web Site http://www.skybench.com"; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 7:13 AM Subject: Your LSF Claim.... > > Dear Ray, > I do not mind that you Have to take Credit for creating the sticks that > make fire. > However, Your claim to Have created the LSF Club Co Ordinator Program as > you indicate below > is totally BOGUS. > I have been an active LSF Member since 1976, and have never heard of your > claim. > The Program DID not exits as an Official, (Documented) LSF Program, until I > became Vice President of the LSF several years ago. > I created the program, as well as work with people across the United States > to energize the LSF Program, with Hand to hand contact, > without trying to sell them something.. This was put in place as opposed to > trying to recreate the Regional Soaring Contest in the NSS version, > due to the Housekeeping headache. Which by the way seems to have worked. > The Closest thing that the LSF had was the Country Coordinator Program, > that is Documented, and was spearheaded by John Vennerholm. > Granted you were a pioneer, as many of the other lesser known, and more > sedate offerings on this list. > You can Make any claim you want, but we have the documentation, > Respectfully > Jack Strother > LSF President > > > > > > At 01:09 PM 2/28/2003 -0500, Ray Hayes. Web Site http://www.skybench.com > wrote: > >Lets try this one again....... > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Ray Hayes. Web Site http://www.skybench.com"; > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ronald Sinclair" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 5:28 AM > >Subject: Re: [RCSE] For those that enjoy building and flying wood built up > >sailplanes > > > > > > > Mike, > > > > > > Thanks for your comments on line, I have had several positive responses > >off > > > line from the exchange, however, I have had many responses from the Wood > > > Crafters mailing list that together have all been very helpful in > > > formulating a competition for sailplanes restricted to WOOD construction, > > > with or without a glass fuse. > > > > > > As you know, many of us thought that RES was going to be an entry level > > > competition and most thought it would be with Gentle Ladies or similar > > > designs. Obviously it didn't turn out that way because of human nature, > >so > > > Jim Porter is right about being specific on the intent when writing up a > > > proposal to AMA. > > > > > > I feel compelled to try and put something in the AMA rule book that will > > > help keep a competition class specifically for WOOD construction. This is > > > where many of the newcomers enter our great hobby, but are poorly served > >by > > > club contest activities due to the absence of a wood only class event. > >Any > > > wood only event in the AMA rule book is not going to change most clubs > > > activity to include wood only events because the clubs are generally run > >by > > > those that do not embrace wood construction. But, it is a starting point > >to > > > give those that enjoy building and flying wood sailplanes a chance to > > > mobilize enough support to have their clubs put on a wood only event. The > > > most obvious AMA class to help wood enthusiasts would be a RES WOOD ONLY > > > class. > > > > > > For those of you that think I have a private agenda, your wrong again, > > > unless you define private agenda as someone willing to try something new > > > that will promote the health and well being of our hobby. Is it not > >obvious > > > to all that what most clubs are doing (or not doing) is not successfully > > > promoting the hobby, certainly not the organized event we commonly refer > >to > > > as a sailplane contest. I have been a very active participant in Cal > > > Posthuma's Michigan Soaring League for years and have seen it go from 50 > > > entrants in the good old days to 15 last year. When it gets down to 5 or > >10 > > > entrants, what do you think will happen ? One of the best Michigan > > > contest is way up there in Traverse City and they still get a good turn > >out > > > for their events. I have had a long history of doing what I can think of > >to > > > promote the hobby, some of my creations are the LSF Club Co Ordinator > > > program, the LOFT club in Fort Wayne, IN, a Mini Hi Start event aimed at > > > beginners that I ran for three years in Michigan, and more. So if this > >kind > > > of activity is defined as private agenda, one can easily understand why > >few > > > people step out of the box to try something different to promote the > >hobby. > > > By the way, the first sailplane contest I put on was November, 1974. > > > > > > > > > So as time permits, I will formulate some proposals aimed at wood only AMA > > > classes and will appreciate input from all that are interested. 70 people > > > are now signed up for my Wood Crafters event in Muncie, IN and I am > > > considering holding the event in several locations around the country per > > > year. Watch for the red van pulling the white trailer driven by a white > > > haired guy with a big smile on his face. It is just a whole lot of fun. > > > Also, watch for the announcement of a Wood Crafters Postal event, maybe > >it > > > will become a world wide event. Maybe Jim Porter would like to get in on > > > this one since he is in Germany. What would be a good date ??? > > > I'm thinking one of the three days of Wood Crafters..May 23,24,25. > > > Participants could have there choice of one of the three days to fly. > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "Ronald Sinclair" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 7:46 PM > > > Subject: RE: [RCSE] For those that enjoy building and flying wood built up > > > sailplanes > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ray, > > > > > > > > I would not be in favor of the new class as stated. I would rather see > >it > > > allowing the whole works, rudder, elevator, aileron, spoilers and flaps. > > > That would make some designs legal that presently have no class in which > > > they are competitive. (Built-up Legends for example would be legal--that > >was > > > a real builder's kit and has no class in which it can be competitive. > > > > > > > > Regarding sailplane classes in general I would like to see us copy the > > > controline precision aerobatic format. By date they have Old Time Stunt, > > > Classic Stunt, and AMA/Pampa (modern) Precision Aerobatics. > > > > > > > > We could have; Antique, (the Society of Antique Modelers fly this--and > > > some great sailplanes many of us have never seen. Nostalgia, (which we now > > > have). Classic (which could be a new class covering 1980 to the Falcon 880 > > > period. And Modern, which would include our current crop of K$ super > >ships. > > > > > > > > This class format would provide a class for all of our past sailplanes. > > > > > > > > There were many great-flying sailplane in the past and I'd like to see > > > them flying again. Note: Jim Thomas flew a Dodgson Windsong to third place > > > overall at Visalia this past year. Of all the sailplanes I ever flew the > > > Windsong was the best landing plane of them all. > > > > > > > > Mike Clancy > > > > LSF 926 V 92 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" > >and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note > >that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format > >with MIME turned off. > > Jack Strother LSF President > Loveland, OH LSF 2948 > LSF Level IV > CSS Silver > http://www.silentflight.org > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. 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