In Windows they get ordered numbering depending on order of insertion, so now my trick is to insure to insert my SOAS Stick first, sometimes I would like to try to define a VM with several VD in order to check if is only the very first bootable one find to be selected for boot...
ciao carlo (f) --- Mar 20/10/09, Dave Bauer <[email protected]> ha scritto: > Da: Dave Bauer <[email protected]> > Oggetto: Re: [SoaS] [Marketing] installation fear, was Re: Governance & > Trademark in the Wiki > A: "Carlo Falciola" <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected], [email protected] > Data: Martedì 20 ottobre 2009, 14:13 > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:59 AM, > Carlo Falciola <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I based my VM tests on these instructions: > > > > http://agnipulse.com/2009/07/boot-your-usb-drive-in-virtualbox/ > > > > with Strawberry you can let it plain boot, and it goes > fine,( maybe it's better you first boot a newly created > stick the normal way for the first time... ) > > I think this feature of VB is not available on mac > now... > > > > Interesting. This requires you predict what /dev/sdX device > the USB > will get. For a semi-permenantly attached USB hard drive or > for > someone who is used to this sort of thing, it seems pretty > neat. > Thanks. > > Dave > > > ciao carlo (F) > > > > > > --- Mar 20/10/09, Dave Bauer <[email protected]> > ha scritto: > > > >> Da: Dave Bauer <[email protected]> > >> Oggetto: Re: [SoaS] [Marketing] installation fear, > was Re: Governance & Trademark in the Wiki > >> A: "Carlo Falciola" <[email protected]> > >> Cc: [email protected], > [email protected] > >> Data: Martedì 20 ottobre 2009, 12:54 > >> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 6:48 AM, > >> Carlo Falciola <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > Sean, Martin, > >> > Recently I started playing with VirtualBox in > order to > >> get a "standard" SOAS usb bootable key to boot > into an > >> "empty" VM in VirtualBox. > >> > This is different from a livecd in sense you > get > >> persisten updates and your stik could always be > booted in > >> other systems... > >> > VirtualBox supports, at least in Linux > & Windows > >> the feature to define virtual bootable disk that > belongs to > >> a USB stick. > >> > > >> > So now I've a generic VM that when started by > VB look > >> for an USB Bootable Stick attached to a running > windows > >> machine and start it > >> > Till' now it works for me with Strawberry > & the > >> latest Soas2.iso. > >> > > >> > I actually followed instructions I found on > the web > >> (there shoud be a message to sugar-devel list > about it) > >> > > >> > The solution is definitely not ready for > primetime, > >> and should be tested a lot, but right now is it > possible > >> to: > >> > 1. Manually install VirtualBox > >> > 2. Get the VirtualMachine (containing the > "special > >> Virtual Disk") > >> > 3. Stich the Strawberry in the running host > >> > >> Can you describe this step in some more detail? > >> Right now as I understand it, on Linux and Windows > Hosts > >> you can hit > >> F12 (if you are very fast) to open the boot menu > or also > >> quickly open > >> the USB menu at the bottom of the screen and > activate the > >> selected USB > >> device. You can't boot from USB on OS X for some > reason so > >> I have > >> created a boothelper VM which looks for a USB > stick named > >> Fedora. On > >> OS X I have been able to automate this to umount > the USB > >> from the host > >> OS, and attach it to the running VM so the use > potentially > >> just has to > >> plug in the stick and make one click on an > application > >> icon. > >> > >> Dave > >> > >> > 4. start the VM > >> > 5. Enjoy your Sugar Stick (with persistent > storage in > >> the stick, networks, (dunno about audio, but it > should work > >> either)! > >> > > >> > I think some of those steps could be > simplyfied... > >> > > >> > Latest note : I'm not shure that a > "Portable" > >> VirtualBox it's doable because VB creates > virtual net > >> interface I'm not shure that ccould be done on the > fly. > >> > > >> > Could this approach helps? > >> > > >> > ciao > >> > > >> > carlo (f) > >> > > >> > On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Douglas > McClendon > >> > <dmc.sugar at filteredperception.org> > wrote: > >> >> Sean DALY wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> You've mentioned how the website > could be > >> improved - the "fine print". > >> >>> When you look at the Sugar on a Stick > page, > >> what do you think it could > >> >>> express better to guide inexperienced > users? > >> The single biggest > >> >>> barrier we face is installation fear > - this is > >> how Windows keeps its > >> >>> marketshare (with help from > proprietary file > >> formats), and why > >> >>> GNU/Linux desktops have so much > difficulty > >> breaking out. Sugar on a > >> >>> Stick sidesteps the problem by not > touching > >> the hard disk, but does > >> >>> indeed require system-specific BIOS > fiddling. > >> >> > >> >> In response to this, and DancesWithCars > autorun > >> html point, I can see > >> >> possible progress in this direction- > >> >> > >> >> a) autorun html. Simple to add > technically. > >> I'd opt for pure open > >> >> source but possibly less compatable > simple autorun > >> technique, as opposed > >> >> to using the various less-free and often > closed > >> source autorun helpers. > >> >> > >> >> b) the content of the html to be > autoran- > >> obviously the sky is the > >> >> limit, and something marketing is > particularly > >> suited for. To the > >> >> extent that technical information should > be > >> contained, there is the > >> >> LiveDistro wikipedia page, which would > be > >> included, as well as a layer > >> >> above it translated/shrunk into a > quickstart > >> version targeted at average > >> >> parents/teachers. > >> >> > >> >> c) other low hanging fruit windows FOSS. > Firefox > >> seems worth it if > >> >> you've got the space. But more > importantly qemu, > >> or whatever the best > >> >> open source windows virtualization > solution is > >> (qemu/virtualbox/?). > >> >> I.e. the webpage should include simple > >> instructions for launching that > >> >> virtualizaiton targeted at the CD/USB > that > >> contains it. > >> >> > >> > > >> >>Virtualbox could allow a pretty good > in-Windows > >> experience. With > >> >>seamless mode it runs in an OS window. We > can > >> automate the startup so > >> >>a Sugar appliance starts up with one > click. The > >> trick is getting > >> >>permission to bundle an installer with > virtualbox > >> and the sugar > >> >>appliance. I think one would have to ask > Sun for > >> permission to do > >> >>this. > >> >> > >> >>You could do this also with OS X and Linux > although > >> each needs a > >> >>seperate installer. > >> >> > >> >>Dave > >> >> > >> >>-- > >> >>Dave Bauer > >> >>dave at solutiongrove.com > >> >>http://www.solutiongrove.com > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > SoaS mailing list > >> > [email protected] > >> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Dave Bauer > >> [email protected] > >> http://www.solutiongrove.com > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Dave Bauer > [email protected] > http://www.solutiongrove.com > _______________________________________________ SoaS mailing list [email protected] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas
