Matthew Reed wrote:
> Aside from minimizing heavy backhauls - dual radio designs are quite
> cost-prohibited especially for budgetary conscious munis (i.e., New Orleans)
> at least on a very large scale basis - Tempe AZ is an exception but don't
> expect heavy adoption until of course the economies of scale kick in.
So "dual-radio designs are quite cost prohibitive" - I guess that's true
if you compare the cost of dual-radio nodes to Tropos single-radio nodes
AND if you completely IGNORE the cost of the 5 GHz point-to-multipoint
wireless networks that are typically used to provide backhauling to
every third or fourth Tropos node. Of course, if you include the cost of
this 5 GHz (typically Motorola Canopy) backhaul network, then you can no
longer make the claim that a Tropos network is "cheaper". If you
calculate the cost of the ENTIRE network, including the 5 GHz backhaul,
I think anyone who "does the math" will find that the typical Tropos
deployment is MORE EXPENSIVE than a deployment that uses dual-radio
dual-band mesh nodes.
> I have nothing against dual radio models, on paper they are advantageous. In
> fact, if you haven't informed already Tropos did recently announce a dual
> radio system. Later than some may have expected but this was due to wise
> business planning both from an economics and real-world (wait and see
> approach) deployment evolution. I would per adventure to say to date they
> haven't seen it as a crucial need in their 300+ deployments.
How strange but I can find NO information about Tropos offering a
dual-band node ANYWHERE on their web site. Perhaps you could be so kind
as to supply a link?
Thanks,
jack
> So rather than writing this particular organization off - allow yourself
> just a bit more of time they will step up to the plate and again silence
> their critics.
>
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Jack Unger
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 8:51 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [SOCALWUG] Re: WiFi Launched in Downtown Pomona
>
>
> OK. Good luck to both the one-armed baseball player and to Earthlink.
>
> Matthew Reed wrote:
>
>
>>Dated but a great article
>>
>>http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/columns/article.php/3391231
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>
> Behalf
>
>>Of Jack Unger
>>Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 5:23 PM
>>To: [email protected]
>>Subject: [SOCALWUG] Re: WiFi Launched in Downtown Pomona
>>
>>
>>Matthew,
>>
>>With all due respect to you, I must offer the following...
>>
>>Per Wireless Broadband Innovations's website: "Entries will be judged on
>>the basis of the information provided to the independent judging panel
>>on the entry form and additional supporting materials where permitted.
>>Details of the judging panel meetings will not be disclosed".
>>
>>Unfortunately, it looks as if this Tropos award proves only that the
>>claims that Tropos submitted about their "architecture" sounded sexier
>>than the claims made by AirSpan, PicoChip, and SkyPilot.
>>
>>In terms of performance, Tropos single-radio, single-band mesh
>>architecture is like a one-armed baseball player who claims that they
>>can outplay a two-armed (dual-band, multiple-radio mesh node) baseball
>>player. In time, the truth will become obvious. In the next year or two,
>>the real-world deployments of the upcoming Tropos-based Philadelphia and
>>San Francisco mesh networks may very well reveal the truth in terms of
>>both performance and cost.
>>
>>Hopefully, some day soon, Tropos will "wake up" and offer a two, three,
>>or four-radio dual-band mesh node. Only then can they (IMHO) claim to be
>>a major-league contender.
>>
>>All the best,
>> jack
>>
>>
>>Matthew Reed wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Friends at SOCALWUG -
>>>According to Wireless Broadband Innovation's
>>>
>>>Tropos was awarded Best WiMAX / Wireless Broadband Product 2006
>>>Tropos was also nominated for Best Public WiFi Product 2006
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>
>>Behalf
>>
>>
>>>Of Tim Schaeffer
>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 5:29 PM
>>>To: [email protected]
>>>Subject: [SOCALWUG] Re: WiFi Launched in Downtown Pomona
>>>
>>>Sure for mesh all of the follwing handily outperform tropos: belair,
>>
>>strix,
>>
>>
>>>firetide, qorvus, and both firetide and qorvus ae much less expensive and
>>>both have builtin 5 ghz backhaul, which tropos makes you buy a seperat
>>>motorola canopy for. Nomaix is just a captive portal with a firewall and
>>>waled garden, any linux box can be configured that way using nocat and
>>>iptables. Or for a cmmercial product you can Colubris. And qorvus already
>>>has the nomadix function built into there box.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Matthew Reed
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 7:55 PM
>>> Subject: [SOCALWUG] Re: WiFi Launched in Downtown Pomona
>>>
>>>
>>> Tim, I noticed in you're post you didn't list any of the better
>>
>>solutions
>>
>>
>>>so could you for the sake of the forum members offer one. Also, I don't
>>
>>know
>>
>>
>>>if you're were aware of this an article was put out last week concerning
>>
>>the
>>
>>
>>>Top 10 movers and shakers in Telecom, guess who made the list?
>>>http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=94333&page_number=1&site=
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Matthew Reed
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>>>--
>>>
>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>>Behalf Of Tim Schaeffer
>>> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 6:15 PM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: [SOCALWUG] Re: WiFi Launched in Downtown Pomona
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ijust always like it better when the best cost/perfroming systems win
>>
>>the
>>
>>
>>>bid. Tropos is far far away from that- so is nomadix for that matter :)
>>
>>Much
>>
>>
>>>better solutions for less money are readily availabkle these days.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tim Schaeffer
>>> Network Engineer
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: Richard
>>>
>>> To: [email protected]
>>>
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 10:23 AM
>>>
>>> Subject: [SOCALWUG] Re: WiFi Launched in Downtown Pomona
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah!
>>>
>>> Very perceptive, Larry...
>>>
>>> WHERE'S MINE!?!?
>>>
>>> On 5/13/06, Larry Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>>>
>>> Do I detect some jealousy here?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>>Behalf Of Tim Schaeffer
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 10:18 PM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: [SOCALWUG] Re: WiFi Launched in Downtown Pomona
>>>
>>> Marketing hype wins over technology and costeffectiveness.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tim Schaeffer
>>> Network Engineer
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: Frank Keeney
>>>
>>> To: [email protected]
>>>
>>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:58 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: [SOCALWUG] WiFi Launched in Downtown Pomona
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "The City of Pomona Califonia reached an agreement with Affiliated
>>>Computer Services in a joint pilot project with Cheetah Wireless
>>>Technologies, Inc. , Tropos Networks and Nomadix to use wireless
>>
>>technology
>>
>>
>>>and innovative applications to enhance government efficiency, promote
>>>economic growth, foster greater community satisfaction and bridge the
>>>digital divide."
>>>
>>> Full press release here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> More news from Muniwireless.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Frank Keeney
>>>
>>> http://www.unwiredadventures.com
>>>
>>> http://www.wlanparts.com
>>>
>>
>>
>
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