There are dualradio systems 
http://news.tmcnet.com/news/2006/04/20/1590614.htm availabe for much less $ 
than the tropos singleradio system. Tropos is about the woirst deal out 
there as far as performance for the $ is concerned. If an install can afford 
tropos theycan easy afford the higher performing alternatives. Just mho

Tim Schaeffer
Network Engineer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matthew Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 9:19 PM
Subject: [SOCALWUG] Re: WiFi Launched in Downtown Pomona


>
> Aside from minimizing heavy backhauls - dual radio designs are quite
> cost-prohibited especially for budgetary conscious munis (i.e., New 
> Orleans)
> at least on a very large scale basis - Tempe AZ is an exception but don't
> expect heavy adoption until of course the economies of scale kick in.
>
> I have nothing against dual radio models, on paper they are advantageous. 
> In
> fact, if you haven't informed already Tropos did recently announce a dual
> radio system. Later than some may have expected but this was due to wise
> business planning both from an economics and real-world (wait and see
> approach) deployment evolution. I would per adventure to say to date they
> haven't seen it as a crucial need in their 300+ deployments.
>
> So rather than writing this particular organization off - allow yourself
> just a bit more of time they will step up to the plate and again silence
> their critics.
>
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf
> Of Jack Unger
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 8:51 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [SOCALWUG] Re: WiFi Launched in Downtown Pomona
>
>
> OK. Good luck to both the one-armed baseball player and to Earthlink.
>
> Matthew Reed wrote:
>
>>
>> Dated but a great article
>>
>> http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/columns/article.php/3391231
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf
>> Of Jack Unger
>> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 5:23 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: [SOCALWUG] Re: WiFi Launched in Downtown Pomona
>>
>>
>> Matthew,
>>
>> With all due respect to you, I must offer the following...
>>
>> Per Wireless Broadband Innovations's website: "Entries will be judged on
>> the basis of the information provided to the independent judging panel
>> on the entry form and additional supporting materials where permitted.
>> Details of the judging panel meetings will not be disclosed".
>>
>> Unfortunately, it looks as if this Tropos award proves only that the
>> claims that Tropos submitted about their "architecture" sounded sexier
>> than the claims made by AirSpan, PicoChip, and SkyPilot.
>>
>> In terms of performance, Tropos single-radio, single-band mesh
>> architecture is like a one-armed baseball player who claims that they
>> can outplay a two-armed (dual-band, multiple-radio mesh node) baseball
>> player. In time, the truth will become obvious. In the next year or two,
>> the real-world deployments of the upcoming Tropos-based Philadelphia and
>> San Francisco mesh networks may very well reveal the truth in terms of
>> both performance and cost.
>>
>> Hopefully, some day soon, Tropos will "wake up" and offer a two, three,
>> or four-radio dual-band mesh node. Only then can they (IMHO) claim to be
>> a major-league contender.
>>
>> All the best,
>>                jack
>>
>>
>> Matthew Reed wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Friends at SOCALWUG -
>>>According to Wireless Broadband Innovation's
>>>
>>>Tropos was awarded Best WiMAX / Wireless Broadband Product 2006
>>>Tropos was also nominated for Best Public WiFi Product 2006
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>
>> Behalf
>>
>>>Of Tim Schaeffer
>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 5:29 PM
>>>To: [email protected]
>>>Subject: [SOCALWUG] Re: WiFi Launched in Downtown Pomona
>>>
>>>Sure for mesh all of the follwing handily outperform tropos: belair,
>>
>> strix,
>>
>>>firetide, qorvus, and both firetide and qorvus ae much less expensive and
>>>both have builtin 5 ghz backhaul, which tropos makes you buy a seperat
>>>motorola canopy for. Nomaix is just a captive portal with a firewall and
>>>waled garden, any linux box can be configured that way using nocat and
>>>iptables. Or for a cmmercial product you can Colubris. And qorvus already
>>>has the nomadix function built into there box.
>>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>  From: Matthew Reed
>>>  To: [email protected]
>>>  Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 7:55 PM
>>>  Subject: [SOCALWUG] Re: WiFi Launched in Downtown Pomona
>>>
>>>
>>>  Tim, I noticed in you're post you didn't list any of the better
>>
>> solutions
>>
>>>so could you for the sake of the forum members offer one. Also, I don't
>>
>> know
>>
>>>if you're were aware of this an article was put out last week concerning
>>
>> the
>>
>>>Top 10 movers and shakers in Telecom, guess who made the list?
>>>http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=94333&page_number=1&site=
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Matthew Reed
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>>--
>>>
>>>  From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>>Behalf Of Tim Schaeffer
>>>  Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 6:15 PM
>>>  To: [email protected]
>>>  Subject: [SOCALWUG] Re: WiFi Launched in Downtown Pomona
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Ijust always like it better when the best cost/perfroming systems win
>>
>> the
>>
>>>bid. Tropos is far far away from that- so is nomadix for that matter :)
>>
>> Much
>>
>>>better solutions for less money are readily availabkle these days.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Tim Schaeffer
>>>  Network Engineer
>>>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>>    ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>
>>>    From: Richard
>>>
>>>    To: [email protected]
>>>
>>>    Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 10:23 AM
>>>
>>>    Subject: [SOCALWUG] Re: WiFi Launched in Downtown Pomona
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    Yeah!
>>>
>>>    Very perceptive, Larry...
>>>
>>>    WHERE'S MINE!?!?
>>>
>>>    On 5/13/06, Larry Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>>>
>>>    Do I detect some jealousy here?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>>    From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>>Behalf Of Tim Schaeffer
>>>    Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 10:18 PM
>>>    To: [email protected]
>>>    Subject: [SOCALWUG] Re: WiFi Launched in Downtown Pomona
>>>
>>>    Marketing hype wins over technology and costeffectiveness.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    Tim Schaeffer
>>>    Network Engineer
>>>    [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>>      ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>
>>>      From: Frank Keeney
>>>
>>>      To: [email protected]
>>>
>>>      Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:58 PM
>>>
>>>      Subject: [SOCALWUG] WiFi Launched in Downtown Pomona
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      "The City of Pomona Califonia reached an agreement with Affiliated
>>>Computer Services in a joint pilot project with Cheetah Wireless
>>>Technologies, Inc. , Tropos Networks and Nomadix to use wireless
>>
>> technology
>>
>>>and innovative applications to enhance government efficiency, promote
>>>economic growth, foster greater community satisfaction and bridge the
>>>digital divide."
>>>
>>>      Full press release here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      More news from Muniwireless.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      Frank Keeney
>>>
>>>      http://www.unwiredadventures.com
>>>
>>>      http://www.wlanparts.com
>>>
>>
>>
>
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