Okay, okay, last time - promise:First: Call the little 'districts' / 'cities' 
what you want. Everyone here knows that people who live in those 'areas' refer 
to them as a city/their city. Personally, I see them all as districts of 
LA...but I'm often corrected.Second: Yes, many of the 'areas' I was referring 
to cannot afford what many of you can take for granted...that's a given with 
many other things as well. However, WiFi, as a community-based venture, was 
intended to reduce the costs that mainstream wireless network companies 
typically charge - out of greed and passing on Federal taxes/fees on to us, 
etc.  I don't need to explain this...YOU are all the experts on this topic, not 
I.Third: With the proposal being regarded as a cash-hog? I've listened to you 
guys (silently) for a while now and I know that the cost of installing a site 
is a tiny fraction of what gets calculated in to a proposal such as this one. 
Aren't many of you involved in providing the Mayor, or other 
nitwits (sorry), decent and applicable numbers? Can't we (you) offer LA some 
guidance to make a relatively FREE network throughout the LA area? Please? And 
a lot of it can rely on big-biz donations, and Hollyweird influence, and 
generous folk who buy into the concept of community (districts/areas/whatever) 
systems! Just takes a bit of POSITIVE advertising... or maybe a bit (a lot) of 
reverse propaganda.Fourth: I admit, I'm still in the clouds with my ideas. 
Panos Krokos (Seattle Wireless 2001) got me all excited about WiFi, and now I 
see little, if any, change....just groups talking about it mostly. No offense - 
you guys are gurus and major players in your fields, and I'm sure you're making 
huge strides towards a connected planet...I'm done moaning. Thanks for the 
feedback. I could use a ride to the meeting - any offers? ;-) No car.Sincerely, 
Jay --- On Thu 09/20, Charles N Wyble < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:From: 
Charles N Wyble [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:39:32 -0700Subject: [SOCALWUG] Re: LA 
WiFi Town Hall Meetings and Survey-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----Hash: 
SHA1Um. Who said it would only be downtown? I haven't seen that 
mentionedanywhere.If they are looking to generate revenue, then they would 
expand it tothe valley. Only having wifi down town doesn't make sense. Most of 
thepeople down there wouldn't want it or be able to pay for it.So while I 
certainly agree that the Valley is ignored to variousdegrees, it is certainly 
NOT IGNORED when it comes to revenuegeneration. Obviously. It is a massive 
source of revenue. So offeringwifi city wide is a no brainer. If its gotten to 
the stage of town hallmeetings, I'll guarantee you they have already ran the 
numbers andfigured out its a cash cow.- -CharlesPresident of Linux Users Group 
LAXhttp://jackshck.livejournal.comRichard wrote:> Sure Van Nuys is Los 
Angeles City, you know what Jason was getting at,> Jonathan.> > 
I answered their solicitation for comments and questioned motivation.> 
Projected revenue from advertising is probably their glitter and reaching> 
the masses to raise them up from the dust of being without connectivity is> 
the political poster. I told them to keep my tax dollars out of it... I> 
don't go to downtown LA looking for WiFi Connectivity, does anyone else> 
here?> > Richard,> N6GPP> Lunada Bay, CA> > 
----------------> Listening to: BACH - Arsys / Pierre Cao - Komm, Jesu, Komm 
BWV> 229> posted with FoxyTunes > > On 9/19/07, Jonathan L. Kramer  
wrote:>>>> Gee, might it be that Van Nuys is  part of the City of 
Los>> Angeles?  It's just a guess.>>>> :-)>>>> 
Jonathan>> -----Original message----->> From: "Jason" [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:09:12 -0700>> To: 
[email protected]>> Subject: [SOCALWUG] Re: LA WiFi Town Hall 
Meetings and Survey>>>>>  Maybe this makes sense to everyone, 
but me... Why is this 'initiative'>> for LOS ANGELES being held all the 
way out in Van Nuys??? Who, in Van Nuys,>> cares about what happens in LA 
proper?I like the idea of LA jumping on the>> WiFi wagon, but this seems 
like a poor start.Sorry for the rant.Jason> > -----BEGIN PGP 
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