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Peter Benjamin wrote: > At 09:45 AM 10/1/2007, Charles N Wyble wrote: >> Peter Benjamin wrote: >>> At 09:38 AM 9/29/2007, you wrote: >>>> Ah yes I saw this article. It was fairly interesting. <snip> > There are no "experts" in rolling out muni wifi. Not with 5 years experience. Well there may not be any with 5 years experience, but Tropos ( http://tropos.com/) seems to be the market leader in implementations. > > Any firm doing the feasibility study is reading reports from > other cities' successes and failures, itemizing the list, > visited some of the city's officials (junkets), and summarizing > the successful methods. Yep. That is exactly what I am doing. Next year, I plan to visit all the various cities which have done implementations both successes and failures. No city the size of LA is on the list > of successes, so, ..., this feasibility study... is it going to > be feasible that it will even have an included method that would > actually have a chance of succeeding here in huge LA? > > Let's hope so. And let's make our proposal! Quite true. I plan to do so. :) <snip> > I'm thinking our own id system, and give free email addresses to them > to sign up with. Email is part of being on the net, and without > a free wifi email address, just surfing the web, is not being > fully enabled/empowered on the net, as also having an email address. > With spam filtering. I think this is a good idea. > > >>> I just do not see any effort in "itemizing" the possible >>> revenue streams, which are well over a dozen, including >>> both low and high cost items (movies are high, ISO images >>> are low), where QoS and accounting play the most important >>> infrastructure part of the enterprise. >> Certainly. Things like Voice/Video/TV over IP immediately spring to >> mind. Pay per view etc. > > An itemized list would be nice, by protocol that can be "accounted" > and recorded by the software responsible for billing. That is definitely needed. Right now I am worrying about the infrastructure that will carry those services. :) <snip> > Who trains the workers? Who trains the trainers? Makes the training > material? Sounds like a business opportunity for the local linux/wireless community doesn't it? :) > How many classes would be offered? How large is the class size? > Where are the classes offered? As many as qualified people are available to teach, wherever they can. > > Who selects the cabling to run up the light pole? > It must last 20-30 years. Dunno. Something to figure out if the light pole approach is taken. I plan to stay away from that personally. :) > > The city's GIS system would be used for scheduling installations? Maybe. > > I'm thinking the "light pole" solution is a very bad one. > Anyone know why I think this? Oh I would think it has something to do with all the overhead required to set it up? > >>> If they pay for the initial set up, who pays and >>> runs the operation year after year? The city or >>> a private firm? With tax dollars, or some ratio >>> of tax dollars with revenue? >> Probably some combination of the above (with several small private firms >> each getting a share of the contracts and revenue). > > Is the feasibility firm moving this way? How many firms? 3? 10? 20? 50? Well I don't really know what the feasibility firm is doing right now. > Most likely, imo, is 5-8 firms, max. And I do not like that number. > It will not be a long lasting solution, as most of those firms > will drop out, imho. The overhead will eat up their profits... Quite true. Which is why we are working on alternatives. :) > > Thus, my direction is strong, and looking for supports, know how people, > or people to sign up to be a small operator of a base station from their > home or office, and get some revenue. Yep. > > >>> I think that is why LA choose to use a feasibility firm approach. >>> To get many ideas/approaches. Here in LA I firmly believe that >>> the private individual, small firms, can do this job, and make >>> a 25% profit doing so, while larger firms will fall flat at >>> no profit, or negative cash flow (admin overhead costs). >> I fully agree. I am already in contact with numerous city officials and >> employees on this. >> >> If you are interested in my progress, please see my blog at >> http://jackshck.livejournal.com >> >> and my WiFI project page at >> http://www.knownelement.com/red-badger/ > > Let us know when you update these web sections. > Do you have a sign up list for notifications? 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