Rod Engelsman wrote:

Now I'm not going to advocate that OOo should include a calendar/PIM/email client, but I believe the relevant issue is limited resources rather than what belongs in an office suite. I'm particularly struck at the artificiality of Daniel's distinction between "document creation" and "communication" tools.

I don't think it's just a matter of resources. Even with infinite resources, we don't want to include absolutely everything on OOo. We have to decide what belongs in OOo and what doesn't. I don't think my distinction is arbitrary. I see two distinct groups of applications:

1) word processor, spread sheet, drawings, diagrams, presentations

These are "documents". They contain information.

2) a calendar, an email client, a contact list, an address book.

I'm not sure what to call these, but I think they lie in a category of their own, and they are different from making documents.

For example, I would not oppose adding bitmap editing to OOo. Okay, I might say that it's a lot of work and we don't have resources. But bitmap drawings still fit within my idea of "content".

In the first place, what's the purpose of a document if not communication? That to me makes it a type of communication tool.

I disagree. I think there's a difference between creating content and sending it. I recognize that there are fuzzy regions. But you have to draw a distinction somewhere and I think that the distinction I draw is a good one.

On the other hand, isn't a calendar a kind of document?

I would put it in category (2).

And if I register my Mozilla address book as a data source in OOo does it then magically transform from a "communication" tool into a "document creation" tool?

No, I don't think it does. I think it fine for which ever program you use for making content to interact well with whichever program you use for sending it. But that's different.

Is a list of addresses in a spreadsheet a document creation tool but the Mozilla address book not?

I call that grey. :-)

Isn't a web page a document as well?

I think a web page is a document, a web browser is not a document-creation tool, but a web page making program is.

Finally, what is the essential difference between an e-mail and a letter that is printed and mailed the slow way? Other than the speed of delivery?

Let's draw a distinction between creating the letter and sending it. An email client's primary function is working with a mail server to send and receive email.

Look... I'm no fan of Microsoft the corporation. But I believe their idea of an "Office Suite" is right on the money: A set of common software tools that almost any office needs for daily operation.

I don't. I don't think that "office suite" should be "everything you use in an office". I think programs should be reasonably self-contained in sensible categories. Otherwise you get code bloat and the program becomes unmaintainable, big, and a dozen other bad things.

Now you can accomplish all that with open-source tools, but unfortunately not with a set of tools that have a consistent look and feel like you get with MSO.

Let's not confuse the desire for consistent use and feel with saying that OOo should have an email client.

Cheers,
Daniel.

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