On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 03:59, John W. Kennedy wrote:
> Greg Neumann wrote:
> > Kazunari Hirano wrote:
> >> Hi Charles, Greg and Ian,
> >> Thank you very much.
> >>
> >> :)
> >>
> >> Japanese language doesn't have the articles you have.
> >> I knew the official name of the US:
> >> The United States of America.
> >> But I didn't know the official name of the UK:
> >> The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
> >> It's long ;)
> >>
> >> Ian-san, I think you explain it better than any linguist.
> >>
> >>> "the" appears first to show its a single entity
> >>
> >> I see now.  I see why "the" is called "definite article."
> >> "the" defines something.  It points to a specific thing.  It makes the
> >> thing very clear.
> >> Thank you again.
> >> khirano
> >
> > Japanese has no definate article?
>
> Neither does Latin. The ancient Greeks and Romans used to sneer at each
> other over the issue.

Nor does Russian, Polish, Finnish, etc.
>
> > Wow. Languages are very interesting. I
> > mentioned this to my daughter's friend who, is an exchange student from
> > Sweden about this. She said Swedish doesn't have a definate article
> > either, but that the word ending changes.
>
> The more usual explanation is that the ending /is/ the definite article.

From what little I know of Icelandic and Old Norse, the definite article is 
_postposed_ - tacked onto the end - instead of floating free at the front as 
it is in English, Maori, Hawai'ian and Greek, just to mention a few other 
languages that use a definite article.  The definite article in Arabic and 
Hebrew is tacked onto the word's beginning.
>
> Also, independent definite articles are used before adjectives modifying
> nouns.
>
>   det svénska fólket -- the Swedish people
>
> The "det" and the final "-et" are /both/ necessary to translate the
> English "the".

Wesley Parish
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Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui?
You ask, what is the most important thing?
Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata.
I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people.

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