On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 14:50 -0400, Chad Smith wrote:

> Yes, it is stereotyping, but I think there are two things that are
> being missed here.
> 
> #1, China is a communist country, and tofu is not abnormal in that
> country.  (That based upon seeing Tofu in Chinese resturants here in
> the States, I've never been to China, so I can't say 1st hand what is
> eaten there.  Of course, I can't first hand say they are communist
> either, but I've heard it from enough sources to believe that it is
> true.)

I heard they ate their children because they were overpopulated but
that's probably just a rumour ;-)

A material made from the vegetarian food tofu could help repair broken
bones and teeth, UK scientists believe.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4057631.stm

So its more than just a health food, its a miracle cure!


> #2, In the United States, during the Cold War primarily, but still
> remenants remain, the term "Communist" was a bad thing.  It was an
> insult, or a threat.  In this country at that time, tofu was seen as a
> non-masulcine food. 

Bit like quiche over here in the UK then. Oh and that light lager stuff
some people confuse with beer.

>  Real men, according to the philosophy, eat steak, bacon, and grease -
> anything as long as it bled when it died.  Wimps ate tofu.  (Again,
> not me saying this - just explaining the phrase.)  Tofu was very
> popular in California, as was the "liberal, communist, pinko, etc."
> center of the time.  (Try to think back to the MacArthur era times,
> trials in Hollywood about actors being Communist Sympathizers.) 

What they obviously needed was the Governator!

>  Therefore, much like tree-hugging, tofu-eating was looked down upon
> as something a communist (or, more correctly, anti-American) type
> person would do.

I thought it was eating French - ooops sorry - Freedom Fries these days.

> I'm not saying that this is my opinion.  In fact, it's not, I like
> tofu.  I eat it everytime I see it at a buffet.  I even like Soy Milk
> better than cow milk.

Strange fellow :-) Think I'd rather have a beer.

> But I also eat steak, so it's balanced out.  And I don't really have
> anything against Communists.  I don't agree with the philosophy, but
> it's okay if you do.  I'm just trying to clarify the meaning of the
> phrase.
> 
> By the way, the "insult" of "tofu-eating Communist" has taken a much
> less serious tone in the decades following the end of the Cold War.
> And since the Internet didn't take off until several years after that
> end, I suspect that most of the uses of that phrase online are meant
> to be tongue-in-cheek.

Suspect? I need more certainty than that, Chad, I need to know if its OK
to eat Tofu these days or will I get my visa revoked?

-- 
Ian Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
ZMSL

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