[Jessop] Does the stock-pile of Fiats in a railway yard necessarily imply shortage of
buying power, or can it merely reveal an over-estimation of the potential
market? I have noticed here that when one person produces a successful line,
twenty others immediately jump in and overcrowded the market.
 
I�m not an �unbeliever� when it comes to the imbalance between Price and
Demand (purchasing power), but we do need to avoid things that can be
contradicted. When all those have been eliminated, we may have a convincing
argument.
 
I can't really answer that Jessop, and I don't think we can until we try out the Social Credit theories in practice.
All this is of course enormously more complicated today than in CH Douglas' times, because we now have an enormously successful massive & diverse marketing/advertising industry, which can create new 'needs' (you could call it 'manufactured greed') almost as easily as can banks invent new 'money'. 
 
I have to get back to the interest issue again. I think the recent mails from experienced Social Crediters - other then Bill Ryan- give good information. As a (still :) inexperienced Social Crediter I simply see, that whatever the specific accountancy measures may be used to officially balance the ledgers, after banks have collected this 'interest tax on production/building/manufacture' (without representation :) they do then not go ahead and send equivalent profit-sharing 'interest dividends' to ordinary  consumer families to return what has been taken away, but use it to provide more credit to facilitate more production capacity still.
At the retail end stand the family members who themselves had to part with substantial 'mortgage interest taxes' for building their family homes, with incomes thus reduced unable to afford the prices already inflated from the interest being paid by businessmen. (Reminds me of that saying, "they get you coming and going").  And so the little Italian Fiat cars remain unsold. (Jessop, you may be correct and maybe they should not have been maufactured at all, but the money for new investment is available, while suffient money for purchasing is not being made available, unless of course people borrow and pay yet more interest again).
Like yourself I am not an unbeliever, but I think Bill does no more see the forest for the trees, or the trees for the forest.
I suggest we simply start with simple trial and error methods. Since centralized banking is a monopoly, and since the money they create/lend only gains real value after the community actually develops/manufactures/builds those assets, the community itself should set the level of interest rates based on comparable reasonable profits made by industry. Social Credit governments can look at historic examples of where this has been done, both in democratic and command economies, while being aware of and trying hard to avoid previous pitfalls.
While dividends could be sent to labourers already displaced and those whose jobs are being made redundant as technology and conservation reduces their need to work, lets initially look and see what happens when the old excessive burden of 'interest tax' is removed from the balance sheets of entrepreneurs, and from the shoulders of those who build their own homes?
Naturally, Social Crediters would always look for ways to reduce unnecessary work, and not subsidize new 'make work' full-employment schemes.  
Without the 'money making monopoly' raising the cost of investment and reducing consumer incomes through excess profits from interest, sufficient purchasing power may occur 'naturally'. If and where additional supplementary money/dividends can be distributed without causing inflation, then this could again be implemented step by step on a trial and error assessment basis - Always remembering the idea is to free people of involuntary work, and set them free to create the things they really need/want/want to do. 
Regards,
Ekky Irion     
   
      

From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Wednesday 25 Jun 2003 4:27 am, Ekky wrote:
> can anyone show me that there is an accumulation of un-purchased goods in
> the world? Also, are there any statistics to show that the proportion of
> �unemployed� is any greater now than, say, the period immediately before
> the Industrial Revolution? (Jessop). Just a couple of examples:
> In the EEC there used to be big agricultural surpluses. This produce was
> bought up by the governments and stored in vast refrigeration halls etc..
> to keep prices at the check-out high. Now attempts are made to
> pay/subsidize farmers to leave fields lying fallow, or money is paid to
> them for not using artificial fertilizers. A trade union friend told me
> already a decade ago that there was twice the capacity to produce cars than
> what could be sold. Down the road from where I lived was a railway yard
> storing thousands of imported small Italian Fiat cars for years until they
> rusted. Sometimes strikes in the car industry are the only time when such
> overproduction halts for a while.
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Does the stock-pile of Fiats in a railway yard necessarily imply shortage of
buying power, or can it merely reveal an over-estimation of the potential
market? I have noticed here that when one person produces a successful line,
twenty others immediately jump in and overcrowed the market.

I�m not an �unbeliever� when it comes to the imballance between Price and
Demand (purchasing power), but we do need to avoid things that can be
contradicted. When all those have been eliminated, we may have a convincing
argument.

Jessop.
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