Enter "Anthony C. Sutton" in a search engine. Google returns at least as much as you will probably need. I am not at all sure that Sutton was anti-Jewish.
Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 6:40 AM Subject: Re: [SOCIAL CREDIT] Anti-Semitism On Friday 29 Aug 2003 11:34 pm, Keith wrote: > It is > interesting as well as surprising to see how narrowly based is the research > on which the conspiracy theories are built--i.e. to Mullins and then to > Quigley, with a bit of Sutton thrown in for flavor. -------------------------------------------- I am very interested in knowing who is this Suton who believes in the conspiracy theory, and is anti-Jewish. The Suttons (or a substantial number of them) are, in fact Jewish.) My own grandfather was a Jewish Sutton (my father was non-practicing, but that could have been because of his �isolation� in far-off South Africa from about 1900 when he arrived here.) Many of the Sutton families in Cape Town are Jewish while otehrs are not. If you have a look at the records on Ellis Island, you will find that a number of Sutton families arrived in America as immigrants from Russia!! They were hardly English, but how Russian Jews came by the name of Sutton is anyone�s guess, unless they assumed the name on the journey (I believe this sometimes happened.) I do not blieve in any conspiracy theory as such, but it is obvious that anyone who becomes caught up in the elitist group of the money-making machine is automatically part of the �conspracy�. Concerning Douglas, could the idea that he was anti-semitic come form these statements of his? -- �The vast majority of discussions which take place in regard to industrial problems are prevented from arriving at any conclusion from the fact that the disputants do not realise the premises on which their arguments are based, and in many cases use words (and "justice" is an example of such words) which beg the whole question at issue. It is not too much to say that one of the root ideas through which Christianity comes into conflict with the conceptions of the Old Testament and the ideals of the pre-Christian era, is in respect of this dethronement of abstractionism. That is the issue which is posed by the Doctrine of the Incarnation. . . . . . . . . No consideration of this subject would be complete without recognising the bearing upon it of what is known as the Jewish Question; a question rendered doubly difficult by the conspiracy of silence which surrounds it. At the moment it can only be pointed out that the theory of rewards and punishments is Mosaic in origin; that finance and law derive their main inspiration from the same source, and that countries such as prewar Germany and postwar Russia, which exhibit the logical consequences of unchecked collectivism, have done so under the direct influence of Jewish leaders. Of the Jews themselves, it may be said that they exhibit the race-consciousness idea to an extent unapproached elsewhere, and it is fair to say that their success in many walks of life is primarily due to their adaptation to an environment which has been moulded in conformity with their own ideal. That is as far as it seems useful to go, and there may be a great deal to be said on the other side. It has not yet, I think, been said in such a way as to dispose of the suggestion, which need not necessarily be an offensive suggestion, that the Jews are the protagonists of collectivism in all its forms, whether it is camouflaged under the name of Socialism, Fabianism, or "big business," and that the opponents of collectivism must look to the Jews for an answer to the indictment of the theory itself. It should in any case be emphasised that it is the Jews as a group, and not as individuals, who are on trial, and that the remedy, if one is required, is to break up the group activity. (From Part i Chapters 2 and 3 of Socials Credit.) I suggest that just those statements, which are no more slanderous than saying Christians are anarchist, could (or would) be construed to mean Douglas was anti-semitic. Jessop Sutton ------------------------------------ On Friday 29 Aug 2003 11:34 pm, you wrote: > I believe I now have a reasonably accurate concept of how this label got > fastened to Scoial Credit, and I invite evidence-based refutations. > > The existence of some powerful bankers with international connections came > to the attention of C.H. Douglas as a consequence of his efforts to > understand why monetary policy is not conducted more sanely in the public > interest. The identity of at least some of the persons involved was not > too difficult to establish, and the existence of the group was traceable > within historic times (modern history, even, focused on establishment of > the Bank of England). One very prominent family based in Amsterdam had a > large influence on getting this network started, as family members were > situated in principal cities of Europe with connections to the princes of > their respective countries. They continued and augmented a fairly ancient > practice of lending to princes to finance their expenditures--which in > those days were primarily for warfare. Traditionally in Europe, the > families who did money lending were Jewish. The Amsterdam family > (Rothschild) who figure largely in the modern Internat ional Banking > "conspiracy" were Jewish. Some representatives of those international > banking failies established branch operations in North America and were > instrumental in setting up the Federal Reserve System. Significant members > of the group which designed and lobbied the Fed were Jews. So, depending on > how one regards the impact of the Fed on American (and world) affairs, it > is a monument of the Jewish contribution to American life or a conspiracy > of international Jewish bankers to enslave and impoverish the peoples of > all countries. > > Assuming this to be the "discovery" of Major Douglas, it was picked up by > Ezra Pound and relayed by him through Eustace Mullins to all the conspiracy > theorists active in the U.S. and Canada for the past half century. Since > it only takes a sympatheitc remark about the fate of Palestinians to turn > many a gentle and broad-minded Jew into a flaming zionist, it is not hard > to imagine how this conspiracy lore became "anti-Semitism". It is > interesting as well as surprising to see how narrowly based is the research > on which the conspiracy theories are built--i.e. to Mullins and then to > Quigley, with a bit of Sutton thrown in for flavor. To compound the > problem, the consipiracy debunkers are not much more impressive in their > style of argument--e.g. Gerry Rough. > > This is indeed a problem, but I don't see how trying to hide from it is > going to make it go away. Mullins claims his research is so thorough and > complete that he hasn't been successfully sued for libel. (One of his > claims is that the wily Nelson Rockefeller gave money to Robert Welch to > set up the john Birch Society as a decoy.) Any suggestions for > resolution? > > Keith > --^---------------------------------------------------------------- This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84IaC.bcVIgP.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^----------------------------------------------------------------
