Bill, There were two points to my posting. The main was to draw attention to
what constitutes the "first trench" and the second was to answer in part the
response to my posting re the "critical examination" from a Socialist group.

With regard to the first, it is without question that Douglas recognised
that the exercise of the 'will to power' rested with those in control of the
Law and Military power. These in turn are exercised by governments who in
turn are controlled by those in control of the money or financial system.

Until this is realised and understood universally there is little to be
gained by arguing monetary techniques.

On the second count I had the opportunity to answer via Douglas re the
uselessness of debating with anyone who is philosophically opposed to Social
Credit. I would have thought that what I said was crystal clear. A reference
to the address by Douglas titled "A Policy of a Philosophy", which I believe
you have read is explicit in his approach to this question.

The so-called "critical examination" was from a Socialist organisation which
contained many incorrect statements relating to what Douglas allegedly was
about. I refuted a few of these and still await evidence of the false claims
that were made to justify their correctness. I am still waiting.

I feel that you have misread what I said. As outlined in my article "What is
Social Credit" I believe that anyone who cannot follow Douglas' outline have
two choices.  They can study it closely and either agree or disagree. I do
not have the time to argue with those who disagree simply because over forty
years experience their disagreement is usually based on complete ignorance
because they have not taken the time or trouble to read or they have read
and are completely opposed because their beliefs and objectives are contrary
to those of Social Credit.

There is no connection between the quote from Douglas I posted or my comment
which referred to the so-called "critical examination", so I fail to see the
point of your comment.
Vic Bridger
----- Original Message -----
From: "William B. Ryan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 2:21 AM
Subject: RE: [SOCIAL CREDIT] the first trench


> Victor, I fail to see from the Douglas quote from
> 1948 that he was saying "there is no point discussing
> Social Credit or techniques particularly relating to
> the financial proposals of Social Credit with anyone
> who does not share the same philosophy."  He may have
> said it but he didn't say it here.
>

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