Douglas never advocated a "means test."  The draft
plan was an appendix to some editions of *Social
Credit* first published in 1924, and should be
interpreted in the context of the "first desideratum"
as social credit is being introduced. See:
http://www.geocities.com/socredus/compendium/money_and_the_price_system.txt

"The distribution by way of dividends of a certain
amount of purchasing power, sufficient at any rate to
attain a certain standard of self-respect, of health
and of decency, is the first desideratum of the
situation."

The first desideratum is already addressed in the
United States, if not in South Africa, which was most
definitely not the case in the 1920 and early 1930s.

I object to the very term "means test" as being
exceptionally demeaning.  It shouldn't be the
responsibility of the recipient to prove he is
qualified to receive it.  His application should be
taken to be prima facie evidence that he is.  The
burden should be on the bureaucrats to "prove" that
he isn't.  The dividend from its most rudimentary
inception is a matter of right, not privilege.





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Subject: Re: [SOCIAL CREDIT] National Dividend Means Test?
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:35:52 +0200

On Monday 22 Sep 2003 7:31 pm, Bill wrote:
> ***] I like the idea of either not paying to those
> who have no need [***
>
> Why?
>
> ***] or grabbing it back via the tax system. [***
>
> Why?
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It´s a long story and I will come back on it later. My P.S. ties in with
something else Douglas says, along with something being advocated in this
country.

But at this stage I´m afraid the P.S. has become a bit of a redherring.

What I really am interested in is Douglas´ statement that ¨No payments of the
national dividend will be made except to individuals, and such payments will
not be made where the net income of the individual for personal use, from
other sources, is more than four times that receivable in respect of the
national dividend.¨


Did Major Douglas continue to advocate what is  essentially a Means Test for
receiving the National Dividend, or did this Proposal for Scotland represent
a side-track?

Jessop.
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> Subject: [SOCIAL CREDIT] National Dividend Means Test?
> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:55:55 +0200
>
> I find this paragraph from * Social Credit, Part III: The Design of
> Economic
> Freedom APPENDIX* rather interesting. Any comment?
>
> * * * ** * *
> DRAFT SOCIAL CREDIT SCHEME FOR SCOTLAND
>
> Any administrative change in the organisation of the Post Office should
> specifically exclude transfer of the money and postal order department and
> the savings bank. No payments of the national dividend will be made except
> to
> individuals, and such payments will not be made where the net income of the
> individual for personal use, from other sources, is more than four times
> that
> receivable in respect of the national dividend. The national dividend will
> be
> tax-free in perpetuity, and will not be taken into consideration in making
> any returns for taxation purposes, should such be required. Except as
> herein specified this dividend will be inalienable.
> * * * * * *
> Seems to contradict some thinking expressed on this list. Did Douglas
> recant at some later stage?
>
> Jessop.
> PS. I like the idea of either not paying to those who have no need, or
> grabbing it back via the tax system.
>


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