holy shit batman! there is 2403 icetrees in my scene. My word, really I did not think there were as I swear looked at a null and there is no operator stack and under a cursory inspection looked like a constraint to the xform_container_pointcloud null that is created which *does* have a traditional ICE tree. These nulls have had all clues like the icetree being called 'icetree' and inside an environment stack have been erased and only Alt 9 revealed this dirty secret!
the plot thickens ! :D good work! cheers Rob
