But if they (AD) don't think they themselves can make money with it, is
not wanting to sell it an acknowledgment that it really could be
competition against them? Ironic. I mean, they've stated that Soft
doesn't bring in much money for them, compared to the other DCCs. They
clearly view it as less than competitive already, so what are they
afraid of? ;-)
-Tim
On 9/10/2013 9:15 AM, Marc-Andre Carbonneau wrote:
Well because then it would become competition again...
*From:*[email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mirko
Jankovic
*Sent:* 10 septembre 2013 10:09
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental?
If they hate SI that much why they don't just give it to someone else
that will actually develop it...
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tim Crowson
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
If that report is true, it's a good thing that Soft is as mature as it
is. I mean frankly, apart from ICE improvements, how is 'not
developing for film/advert' any different than in the last few years?
-Tim C.
On 9/10/2013 8:10 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote:
Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no matter
that there some that will say for crying out loud or similar...
/autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi
and said they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert
side of things, now all development is from a small team in asia
and they will develop mainly for games/
From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I
guess... and nothing new really but...
In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI rental
option and honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple as that.
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi Maurice
Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can
understand your logic, surely there should have been some
explanation of this up front. Whether its in the FAQ, or on the
rental page. Part of the problem as you lay out in your last
sentence is that you cant talk about future developments. However
You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining what you are
currently doing either.
Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the
rental options(It could very well be a technical reason). However
no body out side of Autodesk knows why and the only thing they can
do is speculate and none of that will ever be good. You know its a
sad day when SI users are getting sympathy on the Max underground
forums. I mean when it gets to the point that people are now
actively asking for ways to move their current active
subscriptions from Max or Si to Maya you have to admit that there
is a pretty serious problem.
We have more folks who are briefly in charge of Softimage and then
disappear then Mae West had gentleman callers,. Right now all we
have are our observations and perceptions and currently theres
very little to differentiate whats happening to Softimage to what
happened to combustion. The steps so far are virtually the same,
and we all know how that ended.
I really do appreciate you taking to to come and explain things to
us on the mailing list, however the bottom line is you shouldn't
have to. In a company the size of Autodesk that should be handled
correctly in the first place by your marketing and awareness
people. There is a very big PR gap that needs to be filled and
expectations that need to be managed.
Anyway thanks again
Angus
________________________________________
From: Maurice Patel [[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>]
Sent: 10 September 2013 12:42 PM
To: <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?
Hi Angus,
You are right about people wanting to maintain working pipelines
based on older versions. This is our expectation and this has been
taken into account. Still we have to start somewhere. Rental is
the way many people want to go for flexibility. Today only e-flex
gives that kind of capability (to a certain extent) but you have
tp be a very large enterprise account to qualify. We continue to
offer perpetual plus subscription which gives you prior version
usage. Since we cannot talk aboutfuture releases and capability
our hans are somewhat tied when it comes to talking abouthow we
expect this to all evolve. Suffice it to say that we have to start
somewhere and this is just the start. We expect that the model
will be gradually integrated over time and inderstand that lack of
forwards compatability for previous versions is 'currently' an
adoption blocker. However there are usecases where rental purchase
of the latest version is a benefit even without prior version
support. Note the license model as designed does not entail forced
upgrade each time a new release is issued but is designed to allow
usage of the installed version until the user choses to upgrade
(usual legal safe harbour applies in that none of this is meant to
be read as a guarantee and Autodesk reserves the right to change
its plans at any time)
On 2013-09-10, at 8:33 AM, "Angus Davidson"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> Hi Luc-eric
>
> I kinda suspected that was the case. It might be worth updating
the FAQ just to state that. However it shows just how far out of
touch the people making the decisions are. Even if your in the
very lucky position that you are not forced by some or other
constraint to use a specific version, very few folks will run the
latest and greatest on a commercial project because it just hasn't
been proven. The risk of running into a project halting bug is
just too great.
>
> And with the greatest respect to Chris and the rest of the team
the turnaround on fixing those kinds of bugs just isnt fast enough
to warrant the additional risk.
>
> On the positive side South Africa is now included in the ARC
program. This means we can apply for up to 125 seats for free.
Educational seems to be the only AD$K division that has an actual
policy and a plan. However thats only going to last so long before
the competition does likewise.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Angus
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Luc-Eric Rousseau [[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>]
> Sent: 09 September 2013 08:28 PM
> To: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?
>
> On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Angus Davidson
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>>
>> Apart from the glaring omission of SI from that list the things
that worries me in the FAQ is that rental options dont have
previous version rights. Unless I have read that incorrectly your
SOL if your client needs you to work on a older version.
>>
>> One wonders how much if any thought has gone into this at all.
>
> Presently, that's not technical possible anyway, as the older builds
> cannot deal with the new kind of licensing implementation. Only
2014
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