Mark, 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Townsley [mailto:[email protected]] 
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 5:57 PM
> To: Templin, Fred L
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Softwires] Topology of the homenetwork in 
> draft-tsou-softwire-gwinit-6rd-01
> 
> On 11/9/10 9:08 AM, Templin, Fred L wrote:
> > > After the 6, 7 or 8 figure range in terms of number of sites
> > > 6rd is enabling, the advantages vs. stateful methods 
> > > become quite apparent.
> >
> > I'm not sure that is exactly true. If there is concern for
> > scaling, simply add more routers/servers the same as for 6rd.
> I'm referring to the overall configuration, operation and 
> combined state
> of the tunnels themselves regardless of the number of routers. Setting
> up and maintaining hundreds or even thousands of configured, stateful,
> tunnels is very different than hundreds of thousands, millions or tens
> of millions. Alternatively, 6rd scales from small to large to very
> large, at the cost of bits in the IPv6 address rather than individual
> configuration and state. How expensive those bits are (or 
> should be) is
> the subject of debate in various RIR forums. If we take for 
> granted they
> are not free, then that needs to be considered when deciding which
> tunneling option to deploy.

I'm not talking about configured tunnels; I'm talking about
automatic ones with a point-to-multipoint model. And, I'm not
talking about lots of state; I'm talking about minimal state
(say O(10) - O(100) bytes) on a per-neighbor basis. That should
provide fine scaling for a single router/server, and if further
scaling is needed just add more router/servers. 

Thanks - Fred
[email protected] 

> - Mark
> 
> > Thanks - Fred
> > [email protected]
> 
> 
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