OK, all I am trying to say is that mapping IPv4 into IPv6 address space
(ala 6rd) lets you get away with less state and configuration that would
be needed without such a mapping. Deployments which would need more
shared state and/or config (which is generally related to the number of
endpoints) have more to gain than those that do not.

- Mark

On 11/9/10 10:18 AM, Templin, Fred L wrote:
> Mark, 
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark Townsley [mailto:[email protected]] 
> > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 5:57 PM
> > To: Templin, Fred L
> > Cc: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [Softwires] Topology of the homenetwork in 
> > draft-tsou-softwire-gwinit-6rd-01
> > 
> > On 11/9/10 9:08 AM, Templin, Fred L wrote:
> > > > After the 6, 7 or 8 figure range in terms of number of sites
> > > > 6rd is enabling, the advantages vs. stateful methods 
> > > > become quite apparent.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure that is exactly true. If there is concern for
> > > scaling, simply add more routers/servers the same as for 6rd.
> > I'm referring to the overall configuration, operation and 
> > combined state
> > of the tunnels themselves regardless of the number of routers. Setting
> > up and maintaining hundreds or even thousands of configured, stateful,
> > tunnels is very different than hundreds of thousands, millions or tens
> > of millions. Alternatively, 6rd scales from small to large to very
> > large, at the cost of bits in the IPv6 address rather than individual
> > configuration and state. How expensive those bits are (or 
> > should be) is
> > the subject of debate in various RIR forums. If we take for 
> > granted they
> > are not free, then that needs to be considered when deciding which
> > tunneling option to deploy.
>
> I'm not talking about configured tunnels; I'm talking about
> automatic ones with a point-to-multipoint model. And, I'm not
> talking about lots of state; I'm talking about minimal state
> (say O(10) - O(100) bytes) on a per-neighbor basis. That should
> provide fine scaling for a single router/server, and if further
> scaling is needed just add more router/servers. 
>
> Thanks - Fred
> [email protected] 
>
> > - Mark
> > 
> > > Thanks - Fred
> > > [email protected]
> > 
> > 

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