Hi All,

+1
I also support 4rd as a chater item.

Regards
 Satoshi Usui


On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 08:10:41 -0400, Thomas Nadeau wrote:

> +1
> 
> On Mar 23, 2011, at 10:34 PM, Tomoki Murai wrote:
> 
> > 
> > +1
> > I support 4rd as a WG item.
> > 
> > Tomoki
> >> Hello all,
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Le 21 mars 2011 a 22:29, IESG Secretary a ecrit :
> >> 
> >>> A modified charter has been submitted for the Softwires (softwire)
> >>> working group in the Internet Area of the IETF.  The IESG has not made any
> >>> determination as yet.  The modified charter is provided below for
> >>> informational purposes only.  
> >> 
> >>> Please send your comments to the IESG
> >>> mailing list ([email protected]) by Tuesday, March 29, 2011.
> >> 
> >> The main comment of this mail is a suggestion to add 4rd to the charter, 
> >> in view of the following:  
> >> - It is a tunnel solution for IPv4 across IPv6 networks
> >> - Implementations have already been made
> >> - Some ISP's have expressed their preference for this stateless solution 
> >> over a stateful solution (DS-lite)
> >> - A proposed specification is available for WG comments 
> >> 
> >> It is distinct from other solutions in that:
> >> - Unlike 6rd it is for IPv4 over IPv6
> >> - Unlike DS-lite, it optimizes routing between CE's with point to 
> >> multipoint tunnels and needs no CGN. 
> >> - Unlike Mesh solutions, it doesn't need a (stateful) BGP between AFBR's 
> >> (it's route selections are stateless).
> >> 
> >> Proposed additions to the charter text are in line.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Regards,
> >> RD
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> 
> >>> Softwires (softwire)
> >>> ---------------------------------------------------
> >>> Current Status: Active Working Group
> >>> 
> >>> Chairs:
> >>>  Alain Durand <[email protected]>
> >>>  Yong Cui <[email protected]>
> >>> 
> >>> Internet Area Directors:
> >>>  Ralph Droms <[email protected]>
> >>>  Jari Arkko <[email protected]>
> >>> 
> >>> Internet Area Advisor:
> >>>  Ralph Droms <[email protected]>
> >>> 
> >>> Mailing Lists:
> >>>  General Discussion: [email protected]
> >>>  To Subscribe:       [email protected]
> >>>  Archive:           
> >>> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/softwires/current/maillist.html
> >>> 
> >>> Description of Working Group:
> >>> 
> >>> The Softwires Working Group is specifying the standardization of
> >>> discovery, control and encapsulation methods for connecting IPv4
> >>> networks across IPv6 networks and IPv6 networks across IPv4 networks
> >>> in a way that will encourage multiple, inter-operable
> >>> implementations.
> >>> 
> >>> For various reasons, native IPv4 and/or IPv6 transport may not be
> >>> available in all cases, and there is a need to tunnel IPv4 in IPv6
> >>> or IPv6 in IPv4 to cross a part of the network which is not IPv4 or
> >>> IPv6 capable. The Softwire Problem Statement, RFC 4925, identifies
> >>> two distinct topological scenarios that the WG will provide
> >>> solutions for: "Hubs and Spokes" and "Mesh." In the former case,
> >>> hosts or "stub" networks are attached via individual,
> >>> point-to-point, IPv4 over IPv6 or IPv6 over IPv4 softwires to a
> >>> centralized Softwire Concentrator. In the latter case (Mesh),
> >>> network islands of one Address Family (IPv4 or IPv6) are connected
> >>> over a network of another Address Family via point to multi-point
> >>> softwires among Address family Border Routers (AFBRs).
> >>> 
> >>> The WG will reuse existing technologies as much as possible and only
> >>> when necessary, create additional protocol building blocks.
> >>> 
> >>> For generality, all base Softwires encapsulation mechanisms should
> >>> support all combinations of IP versions over one other (IPv4 over
> >>> IPv6, IPv6 over IPv4, IPv4 over IPv4, IPv6 over IPv6). IPv4 to IPv6
> >>> translation mechanisms (NAT-PT), new addressing schemes, and block
> >>> address assignments are out of scope. DHCP options developed in this
> >>> working group will be reviewed jointly with the DHC WG.  RADIUS
> >>> attributes developed in this working group will be reviewed jointly
> >>> with the RADEXT WG.  The MIB Doctors directorate will be asked to
> >>> review any MIB modules developed in the SOFTWIRE working group.  BGP
> >>> and other routing and signaling protocols developed in this group
> >>> will be reviewed jointly with the proper working groups and other
> >>> workings that may take interest (e.g. IDR, L3VPN, PIM, LDP, SAAG,
> >>> etc).
> >>> 
> >>> The specific work areas for this working group are:
> >>> 
> >>> 1. Developments for Mesh softwires topology; the Mesh topology work
> >>>  will be reviewed in the l3vpn and idr WGs
> >>>  - multicast
> >>>  - MIB module
> >>> 
> >>> 2. Developments for 6rd:
> >>>  - multicast
> >>>  - operational specification
> >>>  - RADIUS option for 6rd server
> >>>  - MIB module
> >>> 
> >>> 3. Developments for Dual-Stack Lite (DS-Lite):
> >>>  - multicast
> >>>  - operational specification
> >>>  - RADIUS option for AFTR
> >>>  - proxy extensions; GI-DS-Lite; DS-Lite with no NAT or NAT on the
> >>>    B4 element
> >>>  - MIB module
> >>> 
> >>> 4. Finalize discovery and configuration mechanisms for a gateway to
> >>>  use DS-Lite or 6rd; these discovery and configuration mechanisms
> >>>  must take into a account other operating environments such as
> >>>  dual-stack and tunneling mechanisms not defined by the softwire
> >>>  WG.  Development of new mechanisms will involve the dhc and/or
> >>>  v6ops WGs as appropriate
> >> 
> >> 5. Development for 4rd (stateless tunneling for IPv4 over IPv6)
> >> - architecture and protocol specification
> >> - operational specification
> >> - MIB module
> >>> 
> >>> Other work items would require WG approval and rechartering.
> >>> 
> >>> Goals and Milestones:
> >>> Apr 2011 Submit DS-lite RADIUS option for Proposed Standard
> >>> Apr 2011 Adopt DS-lite operational document as WG document   
> >>> Jul 2011 Submit 6rd RADIUS option for Proposed Standard
> >>> Jul 2011 Submit GI DS-lite for Proposed Standard
> >>> Jul 2011 Adopt B4NAT as WG document
> >> July 2011 Adopt the 4rd architecture an protocol document as WG document
> >>> Aug 2011 Adopt 6rd operational document as WG document
> >>> Aug 2011 Adopt Multicast extensions document as WG document
> >>> Aug 2011 Submit DS-lite operational document for Informational
> >>> Sep 2011 Submit B4NAT for Informational
> >>> Nov 2011 Submit Multicast extensions document for Informational
> >>> Nov 2011 Submit 6rd operational document for Informational
> >>> Nov 2011 Adopt 6rd MIB module as WG document
> >>> Nov 2011 Adopt DS-lite MIB module as WG document
> >>> Nov 2011 Adopt Mesh topology MIB module as WG document
> >> Nov 2011 Submit the 4rd architecture an protocol document for Proposed 
> >> Standard
> >> Nov 2011 Adopt the 4rd operational document as WG document
> >> Nov 2011 Adopt the 4rd MIB module as WG document
> >>> Nov 2012 Submit 6rd MIB module for Proposed Standard
> >>> Nov 2012 Submit DS-lite MIB module for Proposed Standard
> >>> Nov 2012 Submit Mesh topology MIB module for Proposed Standard
> >> Nov 2012 Submit 4rd operational document for Informational
> >> Nov 2012 Submit 4rd MIB module for Proposed Standard
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
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