Le 2012-04-10 à 07:35, GangChen a écrit :

> Hello all,
> 
> I have tried to work hard and technically contribute to all documents:
> MAP-algorithm, MAP-T, MAP-E, MAP-Deployment, 4rd-U, and also cosigned
> with all of them. Please allow me to share some points here.
> 
> Basic idea of MAP algorithm were originally built on 4rd and DIVI
> (draft-despres-softwire-4rd,draft-murakami-softwire-4rd,
> draft-xli-behave-divi, ..). It was improved by design team members and
> evolved into "polarized solutions"(as Jan mentioned), i.e. MAP-T and
> MAP-E. Identical address format is used for -T and -E. Backing to the
> earlier version of MAP document, it included all features (e.g.
> Checksum-neutrality, Vbit etc.). Some people were in favor of it; some
> thought it not key points. For example, CNP is desirable for
> translation solution. But it's in some extent against current tunnel
> implementation, because encapsulation requires fixed IPv6 address
> representing an endpoint depending on tunnel code today. People have
> to sacrifice this feature in order to keep the benefits of unified
> address format. However, that obviously is of value to transparency.
> (PS: CNP is also a feature in RFC6296, stateless IPv6-to-IPv6 Network
> Prefix Translation).
> 
> 4rd-U was trying to keep all merits together considering trade-off
> points. It was targeted to be reversible process and full transparency
> which I guess is important for a stateless design. Meanwhile, some
> additional extensions have to be considered. It's maybe a point to
> bring up "endless discussion" on the list.
> 
> I agree with what Yiu said it's hard to simply answer YES or NO at
> this time. Both solutions deserve spending more time, because these
> solutions were born only for half a year.

+1

> Implementation may need more
> time and operation normally will also need to wait.
> 
> OTOH, I'm still not fully convinced MAP-E and -T should be treated as
> one solution.

+1
(They were previously considered to be two distinct candidates for standard 
track.)  

> I like MAP-E or -T to be deployed as a separate
> solution. However, coexistence means operators should have double
> packages inspection toolkits, double operational rules delivery and
> double provisioning costs. In some cases, translation solution is
> exclusive to encapsulation (Please see more in
> draft-dec-stateless-4v6).
> Even you can implement in the same box,
> that's very inconvenient for operation and subscriber.

+1 
With MAP-T+E, subscribers wouldn't have the same service depending on which 
specification their local operator has chosen, with subtle differences they 
shouldn't be concerned with.

RD



> According
> RFC6180, it is fundamental two different solution.
> 
> BRs
> 
> Gang
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