Hi Med. Please see inline.
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 12:41 AM, <mohamed.boucad...@orange.com> wrote: > Hi Behcet, > > I'm ready to record in the document whatever the WG agrees to do. But as far > as I know the solution which consists in encapsulating all multicast flows to > the unicast AFTR has not been accepted by the working group. The drawbacks > are even been documented in this draft. > The 3rd paragraph in the introduction should reference http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sarikaya-softwire-dslitemulticast-01 and I would like this be a normative reference. Your evauation that follows paragraph 3 (with Points 1 and 2) are quite biased and ill stated. As such it gives the impression of Execution without trial? In fact draft-sarikaya-softwire-dslitemulticast does have a much better evaluation of the so-called avalanche problem. Thank you for referring to this solution as DS-Lite environment. At least it is DS-Lite environment and draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 is not. > I'm aware of the tickets you opened. I already answered several times to > those issues by e-mail. > > I sincerely don't see what I can do more. > I could not see anyplace where WG agreed on the changes you made, basically pushed by one person. Please show me where there was WG consensus to do the revisions that way? Is this the solution draft for DS-Lite multicast in Softwire WG? I think it is a solution draft for draft-ietf-mboned-v4v6-mcast-ps, i.e. for mboned. Regards, Behcet > Cheers, > Med > >>-----Message d'origine----- >>De : Behcet Sarikaya [mailto:sarikaya2...@gmail.com] >>Envoyé : jeudi 23 août 2012 21:33 >>À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP >>Cc : softwires@ietf.org >>Objet : Re: [Softwires] draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 >> >>Hi Med, >> >>Thanks for posting this revision but it seems like it has not solved >>any problems but instead it created more problems :-). >> >>First, please see the two active tickets, >> >>ticket #10 >>and >>ticket #11 >> >>in the issue tracker: >>http://tools.ietf.org/wg/softwire/trac/report/1 >> >>In addition, in Section 4.3, the draft all of a sudden deviates from >>translation which is used all over and introduces encapsulation. >>I had asked before in my mails, asking it again, why? You think that >>translation of multicast data could not be used/does not work? Please >>see http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sarikaya-behave-mcast4nat64-06 >> >>Section 5 might be containing immature text as the underlying draft >>work has not yet been finalized. >> >>The right way to handle tickets # 10 & 11 >>is >> >>first to include the encapsulation solution >> >>and next describe the drawbacks based on the application that you >>consider and then >> >>next present this translation solution. >> >>Failing this, the only suggestion is to take this draft to another >>place, e.g. mboned and try its chances there. >> >>Regards, >> >>Behcet >> >>On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 9:54 AM, <mohamed.boucad...@orange.com> wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> >>> A new version taking into account comments received during >>the WGLC has been submitted. The main changes are: >>> >>> * change the title >>> * clarify the solution is generic for any 4-6-4 use case and >>the solution has been designed with DS-Lite in mind >>> * add a discussion about scoping: preserve the scope when >>translation multicast addresses >>> * add a note only IPv4-in-IPv6 encap is detailed in the >>document but other tunnelling techniques may be defined in the future >>> * update the security section with some discussions related >>to scoping. >>> * + other editorial changes. >>> >>> To view the detailed changes: >>http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-mul > ticast-03 >>> >>> I hope this version solve the concerns raised during the WGLC. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Med >>> >>> >>>>-----Message d'origine----- >>>>De : softwires-boun...@ietf.org >>>>[mailto:softwires-boun...@ietf.org] De la part de >>>>internet-dra...@ietf.org >>>>Envoyé : jeudi 23 août 2012 16:47 >>>>À : i-d-annou...@ietf.org >>>>Cc : softwires@ietf.org >>>>Objet : [Softwires] I-D Action: >>>>draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03.txt >>>> >>>> >>>>A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line >>>>Internet-Drafts directories. >>>> This draft is a work item of the Softwires Working Group of >>the IETF. >>>> >>>> Title : Delivery of IPv4 Multicast Services >>>>to IPv4 Clients over an IPv6 Multicast Network >>>> Author(s) : Jacni Qin >>>> Mohamed Boucadair >>>> Christian Jacquenet >>>> Yiu L. Lee >>>> Qian Wang >>>> Filename : draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03.txt >>>> Pages : 20 >>>> Date : 2012-08-23 >>>> >>>>Abstract: >>>> This document specifies a solution for the delivery of IPv4 >>>>multicast >>>> services to IPv4 clients over an IPv6 multicast network. The >>>> solution relies upon a stateless IPv4-in-IPv6 encapsulation scheme >>>> and uses the IPv6 multicast distribution tree to deliver IPv4 >>>> multicast traffic. The solution is particularly useful for the >>>> delivery of multicast service offerings to DS-Lite serviced >>>> customers. >>>> >>>> >>>>The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >>>>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast >>>> >>>>There's also a htmlized version available at: >>>>http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 >>>> >>>>A diff from the previous version is available at: >>>>http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-mul >>>>ticast-03 >>>> >>>> >>>>Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >>>>ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Softwires mailing list >>>>Softwires@ietf.org >>>>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Softwires mailing list >>> Softwires@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires >> _______________________________________________ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires
