Hello jwc,

some 15 years ago I was a little bit involved in the development of the Outlook plugin. I do not remember much because I also switched to Thunderbird in 2007 and have not used Outlook since that nor did I develop anything for Windows since that except some Python console scripting.

I remember one thing, when you write that you see no output. In the development tools at that time there existed a Windows function "OutputDebugMsg()" and an application from Microsoft named "Debug Monitor" catching all debug output. If I remember correctly things like Python exceptions where redirected to that application if no other debugger running.

I do not know if this mechanism still exists in modern Windows but maybe it could be a hint where to start searching.

BR

Marko


Am 15.11.2023 um 04:48 schrieb John Cherney:

Thank you for the info and support!

Do either of you use the Outlook client, and if so, can you suggest and alternate spam filter? I agree gmail does a great job keeping out spam. I want to still use the Outlook client for my Microsoft email accounts. (Although I suppose I could be convinced to use their web client, but I think its spam filtering is just like the Outlook client)

With the help of Google and StackOverflow, I was able to get the local code running with Python3.12 and get the Add In gets registered. But it has the same issue as with the original 1.1a6 install. Outlook complains that there is a runtime error on loading of the Add In, and the add-in is disabled. Any ideas on where I could go to see that exception? I was hoping something would go in the EventViewer, or in a log file somewhere, but I haven’t found anything yet.

Thanks,

jwc

*From:* Skip Montanaro <skip.montan...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2023 2:57 PM
*To:* mhamm...@skippinet.com.au
*Cc:* John Cherney <jwcher...@hotmail.com>; spambayes-dev@python.org
*Subject:* Re: [spambayes-dev] Dev environment setup

Thanks for responding Mark. As you indicated, SpamBayes has been on long-term hiatus. The biggest impressive for me are a) Gmail does a good job, and b) I've so far been unable to convince anyone with Windows packaging experience to update that side of things.

That said, porting most of it to Python 3 isn't likely to be all that difficult. A couple of us have taken partial cracks at it.

Skip

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023, 10:13 AM Mark Hammond <skippy.hamm...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I don't think SpamBayes has any current developers and most work
    dried up even before Python 3 was ready. Modern Outlook also
    hasn't been tested. So I suspect you are probably on your own
    here, but those of us left holding the keys would be happy to
    arrange any doc etc changes you might make get committed if possible.

    Cheers,

    Mark

    On 2023-11-12 10:57 p.m., John Cherney wrote:

        Is there a recommended set of versions of tools and libraries
        for Spambayes development? (In particular, is there a
        recommended setup for python 3.x?)

        I would like to get Spambayes to work on a Windows 10 64-bit
        machine. The current recommendation works on my machine: Use
        the 32-bit version of Office 365 Outlook and install Spambayes
        into a non-standard directory like C:/Spambayes. Given that
        the software works under those conditions on a 64-bit machine,
        it makes me think that there is some interaction (registry
        key, etc) missing for Outlook 64-bit to recognize Spambayes.
        Maybe this is something as simple as rebuilding the installer
        on a 64-bit machine? (Ok, realistically, I’m sure someone has
        already tried that.)

        Additionally, is there any way to see the runtime error being
        generated? Outlook 64-bit recognizes that Spambayes is there
        but generates this message in the Add-ins window: “Load
        Behavior: Not loaded. A runtime error occurred during the
        loading of the COM Add-in.” Where can I see that runtime
        error? Maybe it’s a problem that’s already been solved? I
        remember seeing some DEP related issues with Outlook and/or
        the Spambayes plugin. I didn’t have any luck trying to disable
        DEP on the machine or disable it for Outlook (per the FAQ).
        Any other suggestions?

        Thanks,

        jwc

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