Hello John,
in the last few days I did some additional work based on the code from here:
https://github.com/mpwillson/spambayes3
Here at least the Spambayes core functionality is already running under
Python3 (There are other similar repositories available too).
It supports also Berkeley DB. From my understanding Berkeley DB is not
supported anymore by modern Linux distributions like Debian. So It's not
an option for me.
The code in the repository seems to support standard Python pickle and
ZODB-pickle what is available at least on modern Linux. From the
comments in the code I assume that ZODB is the best option when you do
not want to use a real SQL database backend but I have not used
Zope/ZODB on Windows for nearly 20 years. So I don't know if ZODB is an
option for you. Maybe ZODB is easy available in pip.
As I'm planning to use sb_filter.py, I re-activated MySQL as DB in the
code there and it is running well against my old Spambayes database.
PostgreSQL should work too.
Currently I'm working on some modernization of this code, using argparse
instead of getopt, logging module instaed of printf(), modern string
formatting and so on. Also I'll do some SQL optimizations ("insert ...
on duplicate key ...", specify charset on table creation and so on).
Too I want to implement a new feature by adding support for
"langdetect". As I get emails in different languages with overlapping
words and very different Ham/Spam ratios I suppose tagging all words
with the email's language could reasonable improve the results.
I'll share my changes here https://github.com/mvoppen/spambayes3 soon.
BR
Marko
Am 01.12.2023 um 02:39 schrieb John Cherney:
I think I’ve gotten most of the code converted to Python 3.12. I’m at
the point now where I have to get the database working. It looks like
bsddb is only supported up to 3.9. Its replacement is berkeleydb from
Oracle, but I’d need to set up an account to download the installer.
I’m assuming berkeleydb is freeware and redistributable, but I’d have
to look into that. Before I go that far, though, is there a different
database (maybe one already built into python, or a python friendly
db) that you would recommend? Ideally, the db would be just a drop-in
replacement for bsddb.
Thanks,
jwc
*From:* John Cherney <jwcher...@hotmail.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, November 18, 2023 6:07 PM
*To:* Marko von Oppen <ma...@von-oppen.com>; Skip Montanaro
<skip.montan...@gmail.com>; mhamm...@skippinet.com.au
*Cc:* spambayes-dev@python.org
*Subject:* RE: [spambayes-dev] Dev environment setup
Thank you, Marko! That did help. I found DebugView at
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/debugview.
When I re-enable the spambayes add-in, I see the errors pop up in the
debugview window. At this point, I haven’t had to install anything
new. I’m playing around with the PATH and PYTHONPATH so the modules
are found, and then adjusting code to python3. Fortunately, the
changes fall within my limited knowledge of python and ability to
google. It isn’t fast progress, but it’s progress.
For your other question: Spambayes with Python3, there is none that I
could find. I’m hoping it’s just syntax changes that are required to
get this running on a 64-bit MS Office install with Python3.
Thanks!
jwc
*From:* Marko von Oppen <ma...@von-oppen.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, November 16, 2023 7:38 PM
*To:* John Cherney <jwcher...@hotmail.com>; Skip Montanaro
<skip.montan...@gmail.com>; mhamm...@skippinet.com.au
*Cc:* spambayes-dev@python.org
*Subject:* Re: [spambayes-dev] Dev environment setup
Hello jwc,
some 15 years ago I was a little bit involved in the development of
the Outlook plugin. I do not remember much because I also switched to
Thunderbird in 2007 and have not used Outlook since that nor did I
develop anything for Windows since that except some Python console
scripting.
I remember one thing, when you write that you see no output. In the
development tools at that time there existed a Windows function
"OutputDebugMsg()" and an application from Microsoft named "Debug
Monitor" catching all debug output. If I remember correctly things
like Python exceptions where redirected to that application if no
other debugger running.
I do not know if this mechanism still exists in modern Windows but
maybe it could be a hint where to start searching.
BR
Marko
Am 15.11.2023 um 04:48 schrieb John Cherney:
Thank you for the info and support!
Do either of you use the Outlook client, and if so, can you
suggest and alternate spam filter? I agree gmail does a great job
keeping out spam. I want to still use the Outlook client for my
Microsoft email accounts. (Although I suppose I could be convinced
to use their web client, but I think its spam filtering is just
like the Outlook client)
With the help of Google and StackOverflow, I was able to get the
local code running with Python3.12 and get the Add In gets
registered. But it has the same issue as with the original 1.1a6
install. Outlook complains that there is a runtime error on
loading of the Add In, and the add-in is disabled. Any ideas on
where I could go to see that exception? I was hoping something
would go in the EventViewer, or in a log file somewhere, but I
haven’t found anything yet.
Thanks,
jwc
*From:* Skip Montanaro <skip.montan...@gmail.com>
<mailto:skip.montan...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2023 2:57 PM
*To:* mhamm...@skippinet.com.au
*Cc:* John Cherney <jwcher...@hotmail.com>
<mailto:jwcher...@hotmail.com>; spambayes-dev@python.org
*Subject:* Re: [spambayes-dev] Dev environment setup
Thanks for responding Mark. As you indicated, SpamBayes has been
on long-term hiatus. The biggest impressive for me are a) Gmail
does a good job, and b) I've so far been unable to convince anyone
with Windows packaging experience to update that side of things.
That said, porting most of it to Python 3 isn't likely to be all
that difficult. A couple of us have taken partial cracks at it.
Skip
On Mon, Nov 13, 2023, 10:13 AM Mark Hammond
<skippy.hamm...@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think SpamBayes has any current developers and most
work dried up even before Python 3 was ready. Modern Outlook
also hasn't been tested. So I suspect you are probably on your
own here, but those of us left holding the keys would be happy
to arrange any doc etc changes you might make get committed if
possible.
Cheers,
Mark
On 2023-11-12 10:57 p.m., John Cherney wrote:
Is there a recommended set of versions of tools and
libraries for Spambayes development? (In particular, is
there a recommended setup for python 3.x?)
I would like to get Spambayes to work on a Windows 10
64-bit machine. The current recommendation works on my
machine: Use the 32-bit version of Office 365 Outlook and
install Spambayes into a non-standard directory like
C:/Spambayes. Given that the software works under those
conditions on a 64-bit machine, it makes me think that
there is some interaction (registry key, etc) missing for
Outlook 64-bit to recognize Spambayes. Maybe this is
something as simple as rebuilding the installer on a
64-bit machine? (Ok, realistically, I’m sure someone has
already tried that.)
Additionally, is there any way to see the runtime error
being generated? Outlook 64-bit recognizes that Spambayes
is there but generates this message in the Add-ins window:
“Load Behavior: Not loaded. A runtime error occurred
during the loading of the COM Add-in.” Where can I see
that runtime error? Maybe it’s a problem that’s already
been solved? I remember seeing some DEP related issues
with Outlook and/or the Spambayes plugin. I didn’t have
any luck trying to disable DEP on the machine or disable
it for Outlook (per the FAQ). Any other suggestions?
Thanks,
jwc
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