[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Thursday, February 23, 2006 10:28 AM -0600,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Frankly I am in agreement with Billy Y. I myself have gotten black
> > holed because someone on the same netblock sent a bunch of spam.
> > Getting off the list was impossible because I did not control the
> > netblock. It took over three months, and I have a fixed IP!
> 
> There are plenty situations like this around and its very unfortunate
> when innocent third parties are affected.  This is why DNSBL's are both
> loved and hated.  It sounds like you were in what Paul Vixie called a
> "bad neighborhood" on the internet.  Other people in your netblock were
> likely abusing outside networks and the provider was not cooperative in
> fixing the problem.  He wound up with a netblock blackholed which
> affected all his customers.
> 
> It's similar to a multi-unit in a big city neighborhood where there's a
> lot of drug dealing.  Ideally, the police would catch the perpetrators
> and the problem would be solved.  But the landlord is lax and continues
> to rent to people who conduct illegal activities and create a public
> nuisance.  Eventually, it may get to the point where the city condemns
> the building and everyone in it loses their apartment.  Some of the
> people were clearly innocent, but allowing the situation to continue was

> not a good option either.  Whatever the police did, many people would be

> unhappy.  Prosecuting the current perpetrators, and watching them
> quickly replaced with similar tenants would not satisfy the neighbors
> desire for a safe neighborhood.  Seizing the building and throwing
> everybody out is clearly unfair to tenants who did nothing wrong.  It's
> just a bad situation.

Actually it is even worse than you describe. One case that I mentioned on
the list a while ago involved a stolen/forged credit card being used to
buy hosting services. 

The fraud was stopped in 48 hours or less, but the damage from RBLs lasted
for weeks. This is why I think locking people out based on multiple RBLs
is not a good choice.

Best,

Allen
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