On the subject of this list and is it only good for bitching about the spam problem... 
There are LEGAL deffinitions being hammered-out by States AGs & Lawyers.  In the 
future there WILL be legal deffinitions of what "op-in" is and what constitutes an 
on-going business relationship.  The legit business community has a vested interest in 
having deffinitions.
I don't know how much access to AGs & legislators SpamCon may have, but I would like 
to know, if not this group, then what group has the capability to provide input to the 
people who are going to be writing LAW on this subject, because there WILL be law on 
this subject even if its BAD LAW, the public/taxpayers are not going to ignore this 
and they will pester their Representitives untill they get some law, notice the 20 
states that already have laws, and some could be called very poor examples of 
anti-spam law, but the citizens got a law. For the FEDERAL law that is to come, we ( 
the anti-spam cabal ) need to provide input to the law makers such that they can
write effective law, not some pro-spam law in anti garb.
<eor> end of rant..................................
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On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:14:30  
 Dale Gardner wrote:

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>Then what, may I ask, is the point of all this talk? If all this list is for
>is to piss and moan and cry in our beers about what a terrible thing spam
>is, then sign me off. As explained, I already get enough e-mail that wastes
>my time.
>
>If you really want to do something about stopping spam, then you have to
>work towards coming up with a meaningful definition. To throw up your hands
>and complain that the task is difficult is to give carte blanche to
>spammers. If there is no agreement on what spam is, there can be no rules
>against spam. Geeks, and marketers, and lawmakers need standards to judge
>behaviors against - and if that standard is "I know it when I see it," you
>might as well pull the plug on the net right now.
>
>And if it is true that those terms are hopelessly diffficult to define, then
>what? What's the plan of attack then?
>
>Regards,
>
>Dale



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