Patrice M. Coles wrote: >>The First Amendment says that the government can't make laws against >>you speaking. It doesn't give me the obligation to assist your >>speech by allowing it in my network, or on the side of my house.
> It also doesn't give you permission to interfere with with that > speech. It doesn't give me permission to pick my nose, either. I don't need the government's permission for me to control my property as I wish. If I don't want you to be able to store email you send on my server, then I have the right to reject such email. If I have a contract with somebody requiring that I accept the email, then I have to obey that contract. However, I haven't seen any ISP contracts with that sort of requirement. >>I understand that you don't like the listing of IP addresses that >>belong to spam-friendly ISPs. > > That's *your* interpretation of what I like, and it's incorrect. > What I don't like is when other people (or blocklisters) propose > that they are better-equipped to decide what I like than I am and > then refuse to consider the possibility that their decision wasn't > perfect and they made a mistake. Then there's no problem, because the people who create blocklists don't care about what you like. They list IP addresses of spam-friendly ISPs. _Your_ ISP might decide not to accept email from listed IP addresses. > The target has the same right to receive mail as he does to receive > any other communication, just like that First Amendment guarantees. In other words, none. Where does the First Amendment say anything about guaranteed ability to receive anything? If somebody hands me a letter for you and says to fly to wherever you live and hand it to you, am I violating your First Amendment rights by dropping it on the floor? >>Go ahead and run one that doesn't list any IP address from which >>non-spam might emanate. I don't think your empty list will get many >>users. > > Everything in life does not have to be black or white. There *are* > gray areas, so the means of dealing with an IP address from which > non-spam might emanate is to test it before blocklisting. Do you > have a problem with a blocklist doing that? How can you test whether or not an IP address belongs to a spam-friendly ISP? Well, there are two steps. Step 1: Determine that a given ISP is spam-friendly. This is done when someone sends spam from that ISP, complaints are made, and the spam continues. Step 2: Determine that the IP address in question belongs to that ISP. That's easy; ARIN (which controls IP address allocation) says it does. So, your test was satisfied. >>>I suspect they didn't, that's why they're so incompetent. >> Matter of opinion, but no bearing on the subject at hand. >So why did you bring it up? > > *You* are the one who wrote "I suspect they didn't", not me! You were the one who wrote the sentence I referred to (obviously, since mine makes no sense without the context). If my claim is irrelevant, then so was yours. >>Feel free to start your own ISP with that policy. If people like your >>policy better than the policies of other ISPs, you'll get rich. If >>they stay away in droves, you'll lose your money. > > And your point is....? Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing? My point is that there does not seem to be an existing ISP that runs the way you want. Why do you think that is? >>That's right. ISPs make policies for their own property. If you >>don't like a business's policies, you don't have to do business with >>it. > > That's right. ISPs make policies for their own property, *not* laws > for the state or country, so if there are no loaws to make spam > illegal the door has been left open. A business, including an ISP, is not required to allow anything just because there's no law prohibiting it. A business determines what it's going to do, and does it. If an ISP chooses not to accept email emanating from spam-friendly ISPs, then that's its business decision to make. Seth _______________________________________________ spamcon-general mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.spamcon.org/mailman/listinfo/spamcon-general#subscribers Subscribe, unsubscribe, etc: Use the URL above or send "help" in body of message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact administrator: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
