>That's absolutely correct but I wonder at what level or by what function 
>these decisions are made. Do they really make a decision based upon 
>INFORMED CONSENT. I note on the Verizon newsgroups that, as people become 
>more experienced and sophisticated it seems that they opt out of Verizon's 
>anti-spam service.

Most DNSBLs are reasonably clear about what they block and what they don't.
 I'd agree wholeheartedly that full disclosure should be the name of the
game, and it isn't always.

>Then there are other problems. Would you believe that EVERY time I make an 
>ON-LINE post to the Yahoo Blat group, I get a message that my post was 
>rejected due to Osirus' DNS RBL? Osirus actually creating spam :-). Take a 
>look at the news group to confirm.

More precisely, the mailserver your message was gated to is creating the
unwanted email.  

Filtering is far from perfect, in theory or in implementation.  I'd agree
with Tom Geller (unofficially :-) when he says it's the wrong solution.
It's not a solution at all, it's a stopgap bandaid measure.  It sucks!  If
spam hadn't become the hellish epidemic that it has, I'd be very opposed to
filtering entirely.

>I'm not so sure. For example I use the 602Pro Lan Suite to collect all the 
>Pop3 accounts and then distribute them. I can connect to about 10 of these 
>blocking services (including Osirus') and there is absolutely no 
>documentation. No interaction is required between the server operator and 
>Osirus so there is no way to ensure that the server operator understands 
>what he is doing.

There's plenty of documentation online regarding what the Osirusoft lists
block and what they don't.

>>After all the unpleasantness they've suffered at the hands of recalcitrant
>>spammers and ignorant sysadmins, I can understand where they're coming from.
>
>I'm a quality management consultant so we'll never agree on this one.

I'm a network consultant, so you're probably right :-).

>Much of the problem rests with the attitude that Osirus projects. They're 
>out to save the world. It wouldn't be the first time that a well 
>intentioned group or cause was over-zealous.

I hate the need for DNSBLs, and I think that the people that run them do as
well.


Mike
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RMS Business Systems                  (847)215-1661 x224

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