Hi Dick

That makes a lot of sense.  One might layer on top of the binary scan some sort of declaration... I don't know if people do that.

Eliot

On 21.08.23 15:28, Dick Brooks wrote:

Eliot,

With help from Keith at Anchore during some recent testing I was able to explain the difficulties REA has experienced with identifying enforceable License information during a binary analysis.

Fortunately, licensing information is optional under SPDX V 2.3; Licensing information is not a “minimal element” under the NTIA SBOM minimum elements recommendations for EO 14028.

https://spdx.github.io/spdx-spec/v2.3/package-information/#713-concluded-license-field

https://spdx.github.io/spdx-spec/v2.3/other-licensing-information-detected/

Thanks,

Dick Brooks

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*From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Eliot Lear
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*Cc:* SPDX Technical Mailing List <[email protected]>; Emrick Donadei <[email protected]>; Tyler Pirtle <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [spdx-tech] NOASSERTION on PackageVersion field

I could understand why Syft would want to do NOASSERTION, and even a manufacturer might need to do something like this if we are receiving binaries from suppliers.   Licensing probably doesn't care about versioning so long as a license is declared.  But cybersecurity cares.  Is it a show stopper? Not for a manufacturer because we can issue VEX statements. But for Syft, it may be more problematic because Syft may not be in a position to create a VEX (I don't know).

Eliot

On 18.08.23 18:34, Keith Zantow via lists.spdx.org wrote:

    We just had a talk about this yesterday due to a Syft issue that
    came in: https://github.com/anchore/syft/issues/2038 (from
    Emrick). Currently, we're thinking about excluding packages
    without name and version information, but the NOASSERTION idea is
    also something that seems to solve the problem fairly well.

    I suppose I'm giving a plus-one on adding this as a specific value
    for the version when we cannot determine it, but also welcome
    thoughts on how best to handle this situation.

    Cheers,

    -Keith

    On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 12:15 PM Brandon Lum via lists.spdx.org
    <http://lists.spdx.org> <[email protected]> wrote:

        Hi,

        In generating some of our SPDX documents, we've (Tyler/Emrick
        CC'ed) run into situations where the version information of a
        package is unknown. What comes to mind is to set the version
        to NOASSERTION. However, this is not currently spelt out in
        the spec
        
(https://spdx.github.io/spdx-spec/v2.3/package-information/#73-package-version-field).


        Although semantically, in terms of usage of information, it
        should be similar, it still lacks the ability to say that
        "This information is incomplete", with exception of having
        NOASSERTION be set on the DEPENDS_ON relationship more broadly
        - which may perhaps be a different discussion altogether.

        Wanted to get thoughts on this.

        Cheers

        Brandon




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