I agree with you, It happenns all the time and caching does'nt help. What I've noticed 
happenning is that the user cannnot login because SiteMinde is not responding but when 
I look at the SiteMinder services, tehy are started. The problem is gone after 
re-starting the services. Can you post some code that gives the true SiteMinder 
service status (started/stopped). Because at the moment I'm using the cfauthenticate 
tag and test if I can connect to LDAP and return the status.

>> Actually, I always thought a crashed service did NOT show up 
>> as running.
>
>A running service can be unresponsive. I've seen this happen frequently with
>SiteMinder.
>
>Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>http://www.figleaf.com/
>voice: (202) 797-5496
>fax: (202) 797-5444
>
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