depends on how you define ‚disinformation‘ crimethInc has a clear history, easily to track (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CrimethInc.)
thanks andreas for opening up the discussion here! i’m personally shocked by the war rhetoric from all sides. i worked the past 25 years with artists from ukraine and russia in context trying to make borders unnecessary, call me naive, but i’m still 100% that we have to stand together against any kind of war - boycotts in the cultural sector would be confession of failure. (my subjective position) there was just a post by geert lovink on nettime with many proposals for constructive action: https://nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-2203/msg00005.html best, carsten > Am 02.03.2022 um 15:49 schrieb Matias Schüttenberg <matsch...@gmail.com>: > > Is this the same desinformation campaign from Social Networks?? > > Has someone researched on this subject there? > > > On 2 Mar 2022 10:39, "Nicolas Montgermont" <l...@nimon.org > <mailto:l...@nimon.org>> wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Maybe it is good to have the point of view of some political groups in > Ukraine and Russia. > > Here is an article from some anti anti-authoritarian ukrainian groups that is > two weeks old: > https://en.crimethinc.com/2022/02/15/war-and-anarchists-anti-authoritarian-perspectives-in-ukraine > > <https://en.crimethinc.com/2022/02/15/war-and-anarchists-anti-authoritarian-perspectives-in-ukraine> > > Here is one by russian anarchists, updated one week ago. > https://en.crimethinc.com/2022/02/26/russian-anarchists-on-resisting-the-invasion-of-ukraine-updates-and-analysis > > <https://en.crimethinc.com/2022/02/26/russian-anarchists-on-resisting-the-invasion-of-ukraine-updates-and-analysis> > > They really helped me to understand the political situation! > Best, > n > > PS : forgive me if these were already posted here. > > https://nimon.org <https://nimon.org/> > Le 02/03/2022 à 11:48, Spyros Boukas a écrit : >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> I would like to share some thoughts that I have had since last week. >> I apologize in advance for my English :) >> >> >> This is a world war that didn’t start last week. >> >> It has started many years ago. >> >> It has started straight after the end of the ‘’cold war’’ that was not cold >> at all. >> >> It started with the first Gulf War in 1990, were the western Alliances >> attacked Iraq. >> And it continued with the occupation and destruction of many eastern >> countries since then. >> But in western countries and western media this was not a problem, because >> we were the ones that were bombing. >> And because the dead people were Muslims. >> >> In 1995 there was a massacre in Kosovo, the biggest massacre after the >> second world war, in which all the European countries took part, by their >> silence. >> And still, this was not a problem, because the dead people were Muslims. >> Here in Greece, the media were saying that the people were bombing their >> city by themselves >> because they were fanatic Muslims (the same ideology that continued with the >> second war in Iraq) >> >> Now that the country that is attacking is not a western country, it is >> called war. >> As if previously we were having peace in the world. >> >> In Ukraine from 2014 there is a war and since then, 14000 people have died. >> If we look back when this started, we can see that this is something that >> was pushed from the western countries back then. >> By sending weapons and supporting the para-military of Ukraine and helping >> to establish a Fascist regime that oppresses the people and the working >> class of Ukraine >> and forwards neonazi ideologies and practices. >> >> >> As the global Capitalistic crisis rises more and more, the war probably will >> come closer to us. >> But whenever the Bosses of this world are making wars to compete for their >> geopolitical thirst and capitalism expansion, we are the ones who always >> die... >> >> As the war expands, our personal or collective dilemmas for participation >> for sure will get stronger. >> We should not join any National flag. We should fight in our countries >> against their participation in any war, >> because we will be the victims of something that we only have to lose. >> We have to lose our friends and beloved people’s lives or even our lives. >> >> We won’t fight for anyone. >> >> Peace among the people, War among the Classes. >> >> Together with the Oppressed people of Ukraine who are fighting against this >> war. >> >> Together with the Oppressed and arrested people of Russia, who are fighting >> against this war. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> >> >> On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 3:36 PM Lanfranco Aceti <lanfranco.ac...@gmail.com >> <mailto:lanfranco.ac...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> April 5, 2021 >> https://www.cato.org/commentary/joe-bidens-ukraine-policy-repeat-george-w-bush-georgia >> >> <https://www.cato.org/commentary/joe-bidens-ukraine-policy-repeat-george-w-bush-georgia> >> >> April 21, 2021 >> https://www.cato.org/commentary/time-cure-americas-clientitis-over-ukraine >> <https://www.cato.org/commentary/time-cure-americas-clientitis-over-ukraine> >> >> Dear Andreas, and everyone else, I hope you are well... Nice to see that you >> still can keep this unruly flock to toe the red line.... :)))) >> >> I hope you will enjoy the links. I do not approve or disapprove of the Cato >> Institute, I just find their writing very telling of a US mindset and liked >> the fact that these opinions were voiced almost a year ago. >> >> This clarification is in case someone would want to accuse me of being a >> puppet or client of the Cato Institute. By the way, to be a client one >> should have been paid something. Unfortunately, I haven't. :))))) (For those >> who might misunderstand, I would like to alert you to the fact that this >> paragraph is a sarcasm, including the present disclaimer.) >> >> >> >> Lanfranco Aceti, Ph.D. >> Artist, Curator, and Academic >> >> Preferring Sinking to Surrender, Venice Architecture Biennale, 2021 >> >> Tools for Catching Clouds >> https://www.lanfrancoaceti.com/portfolio-items/tools-for-catching-clouds/ >> <https://www.lanfrancoaceti.com/portfolio-items/tools-for-catching-clouds/> >> Preferring Sinking to Surrender, Part I >> https://www.lanfrancoaceti.com/portfolio-items/preferring-sinking-to-surrender-part-i/ >> >> <https://www.lanfrancoaceti.com/portfolio-items/preferring-sinking-to-surrender-part-i/> >> >> Preferring Sinking to Surrender, Part II >> https://www.lanfrancoaceti.com/portfolio-items/preferring-sinking-to-surrender-part-ii/ >> >> <https://www.lanfrancoaceti.com/portfolio-items/preferring-sinking-to-surrender-part-ii/> >> Sacred Waters https://www.lanfrancoaceti.com/portfolio-items/sacred-waters/ >> <https://www.lanfrancoaceti.com/portfolio-items/sacred-waters/> >> Le Schiavone https://www.lanfrancoaceti.com/portfolio-items/le-schiavone/ >> <https://www.lanfrancoaceti.com/portfolio-items/le-schiavone/> >> Orthós https://www.lanfrancoaceti.com/portfolio-items/orthos/ >> <https://www.lanfrancoaceti.com/portfolio-items/orthos/> >> Seven Veils https://www.lanfrancoaceti.com/portfolio-items/seven-veils/ >> <https://www.lanfrancoaceti.com/portfolio-items/seven-veils/> >> >> >> >> Lanfranco Aceti http://www.lanfrancoaceti.com >> <http://www.lanfrancoaceti.com/> >> Director and Founder, MoCC http://www.museumofcontemporarycuts.org >> <http://www.museumofcontemporarycuts.org/> >> Editor in Chief LEA, MIT Press http://www.leoalmanac.org >> <http://www.leoalmanac.org/> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 1:50 PM Andreas Broeckmann <a...@mikro.in-berlin.de >> <mailto:a...@mikro.in-berlin.de>> wrote: >> >> folks, >> >> please, refrain from personal insults; it's one of the "red lines" that >> this co-moderator and co-list-owner draws. >> >> best regards, >> >> -a >> ______________________________________________ >> SPECTRE list for media culture in Deep Europe >> Info, archive and help: >> http://post.in-mind.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/spectre >> <http://post.in-mind.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/spectre> >> ______________________________________________ >> SPECTRE list for media culture in Deep Europe >> Info, archive and help: >> http://post.in-mind.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/spectre >> <http://post.in-mind.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/spectre> >> >> >> -- >> Spyros Boukas >> Dipl. 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