This was an issue this year. I think it should be clarified for next year too (I have to check the WCA forum, maybe it's already been discussed there) Gilles.
2005/12/28, Anssi Vanhala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > "If a side is misaligned by more than the above criteria, then that > side is considered one turn away. If a cube is one turn from > completion, 2 seconds will be added to the solve time. In all other > cases, the solve is disqualified." > QTM or HTM? > > --- In [email protected], "Ron van Bruchem" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi friends, > > > > I think everything has been said now about extra attempt for pops. > Thank you > > all for your input. > > There is still a majority favoring no extra attempts for pops, > even for the > > bigger cubes. In return these cubers get 5 instead of 3 attempts. > > Let us see what 2006 brings. > > > > Stefan, for WC2003 there were no clear regulations about the > cubing itself. > > Actually there were a few people (even finalists) getting extra > attempts for > > having the last face not correctly aligned. On one occasion there > was > > someone getting two extra attempts for the same cube. And each of > the three > > scrambles was the same! There was also no limit for pops, so there > was > > someone who had 3 pops, and received 3 extra attempts. Another > thing was > > that the regulations were very personal, one judge would react > differently > > than another judge. > > We should be happy now that we have good regulations. :-) > > > > About the twisted center corner of Masayuki Akimoto. > > It is my mistake that the twisted center corner for Masayuki for > his 5x5x5 > > attempt was not allowed. > > The judge came to me together with Masayuki, and asked me whether > it was > > allowed or not. Even Masayuki said that he would not have a > problem if it > > were not allowed. > > I was in doubt at that moment, so I should have checked the > regulations. > > The regulations 2005 say: > > " > > All pieces of the puzzle must be ATTACHED to the puzzle for it to > be solved. > > If a piece of the puzzle is EJECTED as the puzzle is placed down > but it is > > otherwise solved, then the puzzle is not considered to be in a > solved state. > > " > > > > The piece was attached, but ejected and not in solved position. > Reading back > > now I think it should have been allowed. > > I am glad in the end it did not make much of a difference. > Although I am not > > sure whether it was Masayuki's fastest time of the competition and > thus a > > Japanese record. > > > > My mistake. Sorry. Lesson learnt. > > > > About the center corner of 5x5x5 being broken. > > The regulations 2005 say: > > "If a non functional part of a puzzle is defect/ejected and the > puzzle is > > still unambiguously in a solved state, then the puzzle is > considered solved, > > under discretion of the judge." > > In this case you could consider the flat part of the center corner > to be a > > non functional part, because the inner part of the center is still > in place. > > If the puzzle is unambiguously in a solved state, so only one of > the center > > corners with this problem, then the puzzle should be considered > solved. > > > > Looking forward to more competitions in 2006 in more countries, > with even > > more fun. > > > > Have fun, > > > > Ron > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Per Kristen Fredlund > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 6:36 PM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: 2006 Regulation Revisions > > > > > > Hi ! > > > > That's more evidence to keep the current rule, allowing ONE pop. It > > really is no problem timewise to allow a few ppl one more solve due > > to (accidental) pop. And ppl can cube faster more relaxed, not > > having to worry too much about pops. Anyway, i feel this topic > > is "out-debated". What happens will happen. Unless the WCA board > > decides that we gonna have a vote or something over it :-) > > > > I have written lots here about popping, but still my main concerns > > are that twisting centers should be allowed and also a single > broken > > center (or any single cubie) as long as there is no ambiguity the > > cube/puzzle is solved. There is no way to benefit from those cube > > defects :-) > > > > -Per > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Stefan Pochmann" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Lars Petrus > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I was imagining some future competition with more attempts, > > maybe 10 > > > or > > > > 20, and every solve counting. > > > > > > Ah, ok. Yeah, that would be nice :-). The more solves the better. > > Uh, > > > except that more solves require fewer or faster competitors or > > fewer > > > rounds... > > > > > > > If there were really no pops at all in the latest final, that > > does > > > show > > > > it's not much to worry about, at least for people in that > level. > > > > > > Yes, there really weren't any. And only 2 (declared) pops in the > > semi > > > final, i.e. 2 pops in 182 solves (36 competitors). Don't know > > about > > > round 1, there are no pops but dnfs and they could mean anything. > > > > > > Looking at the WC 2003 results, I don't see any pops at all. But > I > > > could imagine that the free-replacement-for-pops rule didn't > exist > > > back then, is that correct? > > > > > > http://www.speedcubing.com/events/wc2005.html > > > http://www.speedcubing.com/events/wc2003/wc2003_results.html > > > > > > Cheers! > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YAHOO! 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