Hey David,

LOL...i think you were a little mistaken when I told you 3-4 days.  It
took me 3-4 days, learning from Chris Hardwick, and running through
solves with him, a lot, and I practiced like mad, and didn't time my
solves, but rather went really slow through the solve and counted my
moves, trying to recognize the best pair to do at the time, and doing
this got me used to recognizing the case, and then once I knew I was
averaging under 40 moves (easily) and I knew my recognition was
getting better, I started timing myself and by then my times were
probably around 50-60 seconds for F2L...kinda clunky and slow...Now I
average around 20 seconds with F2L, the thing is with F2L intuitive is
that you end up saving a lot of moves, and chances are the intuitive
F2L you are using doesn't use empty slots or anything beyond the basic
F2L...Sure, go ahead and learn the algs blindly (or not) either way
you will end up doing more moves cuz you won't save the moves using
the empty slots...I could go on, but I won't...

Craig

--- In [email protected], David Pritts
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>
> how fast do you guys solve F2L? how does that compare to the total
time it takes you to solve the cube?
>    
>   right now i'm working on intuitive F2L, as indicated by my several
posts recently... I am starting to get the hang of it, and it is no
longer difficult for me.. HOWEVER, it's not fast. With my old method,
I solved the first layer and used 2 algs to solve the 4 pieces in the
2nd layer. WIth this method, a good F2L takes about 45 seconds(for
me). How much practice do you think it will take me such that I can do
F2L in less than 45 seconds? I just timed myself 5 times and I did it
in around:
>    
>   2:25
> 2:20
> 1:55
> 2:12
> 1:50
>    
>   Anyways, I can see that I'm getting much better with practice, but
I'm still anxious to get faster so I figured I'd ask.. plus, Craig B
told me that he got the hang of it in 3-4 days, and it's taken me
longer than that, and I think i've been doing a relatively heavy
amount of cubing in the past few days, so I figured I should get it
down sooner ^^
>    
>   Also - although I understand this method, do you think it makes a
big enough difference in time to justify memorizing the 41 algs? This
method is pretty good and i know it has a potential for being very
fast, but assuming I took it slowly (maybe 1 a day, or 4-5 a week or
something), I could easily memorize those algs after a month or two..
would that be noticeably faster? It seems to me that having an alg for
each case would be significantly faster.
>    
>   Let me know. 
>    
>   David
>    
>   ps--ordered cubesmith tiles, got them on today..very nice -_-
> 
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