> > > > 
> > > > I am either going to learn Fridrich 2 Look or 
> > > > 
> > > > 1.  Permute/Orient Corners
> > > > 2.  Permute/Orient Edges
> > > > 
> > > > Which do you all suggest?


You could also interpret this as CLL/ELL.  I think that this is a good
option.  Many mirrored and inversed cases.  Less cases than OLL/PLL.

And if you get bored of Cross, Pair, Pair, Pair, Pair, CLL, ELL, you
can easily switch to B1, B2, CLL, 6E4C.    ;)

Jason K




--- In [email protected], "Daniel Jih"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Oh yea I always get those two mixed up. Haha because I always think
> that orienting is putting something where it's suppose to be and
> yeeaa. I actually started out with a very very very bad ll method.
> Basically you orient the edges with those 2 moves I talked about
> earlier, then you permute them. Next you permute the corners (there
> are 2 moves, well 1, the other is just a mirror to rotate 3 corners
> clockwise/counterclockwise), and orient each individual corner with
> like an 8-turn move (total of like 32 turns for 4 corners >.>) such an
> unefficient method, but in total you only had to memorize like a total
> of 8 things. 4 really if you don't count mirrors.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In [email protected], "timbreynolds"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I think that's backwards.  Switch "orientation" and "permutation" 
> > and you're good.
> > Of course, the 4-look LL would be a good starting place, then 3-
> > look, then 2-look.  Don't jump right into 3 or 2 look; it'll be 
> > confusing and awful while you're learning it.
> > --- In [email protected], "Daniel Jih" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Haha I myself think the 2 Look is too strenuous for memorization 
> > at my
> > > level at least. If you want, try the 3 look LL. Basically there 
> > are 2
> > > moves to permute the edges (well there's actually a 3rd case but 
> > you
> > > can combine the 2 moves to solve that case), another 7 for corner
> > > permutations (these are 7 from the 57 when the cross is solved) and
> > > then the 21 orientations. This in my opinion is the best method to
> > > start. It's less memorization, and spend some time to really get it
> > > down. After you have it down, you basically already have half of 
> > the 2
> > > look down cold. It's a good transition method you could say.
> > > 
> > > --- In [email protected], "Daniel Beyer"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have the Fridrich Method printed out to study.  I too just 
> > finished
> > > > the F2L method.
> > > > 
> > > > I went to Cubeloop.com
> > > > I found other methods that seem let strenuous for memorization.
> > > > 
> > > > I am either going to learn Fridrich 2 Look or 
> > > > 
> > > > 1.  Permute/Orient Corners
> > > > 2.  Permute/Orient Edges
> > > > 
> > > > Which do you all suggest?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>






 
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