You wait ages for a meeting log, then two arrive close together... HIGHLIGHTS
21:00:01 <bdale> [item 1, Opening] Welcome to today's Software in the Public Interest board of directors meeting, which is now called to order. Today's agenda and details of pending resolutions can be found on the web at: http://www.spi-inc.org/secretary/agenda/2009/2009-10-14.html [item 2, Roll Call] 21:00:17 <schultmc> Michael Schultheiss 21:00:20 <Ganneff> Joerg Jaspert 21:00:20 <Noodles> Jonathan McDowell 21:00:21 <Hydroxide> Jimmy Kaplowitz 21:00:22 <bdale> Bdale Garbee 21:00:23 <cdlu> David Graham 21:00:25 <zobel> Martin Zobel-Helas 21:00:27 <linuxpoet> Joshua D. Drake 21:01:09 <luk_> Luk Claes [item 3, President's Report] <bdale> A warm welcome to our new associated projects Path64 and OSUNIX! I've had conversations with more potential associated projects, particularly because of my participation in LinuxCon and the Ohio LinuxFest last month, but nothing that needs to be discussed today. Next week I'll be in Tokyo for the Japan Linux Symposium. [item 4, Treasurer's Report] <schultmc> A routine report is in the agenda The HeliOS Project's negative balance is temporary - they've already received donations to make up the shortfall [item 5, Secretary's report] <zobel> both Path64 and OSUNIX accepted we are preparing a press announce for both + for OpenWRT * zobel will [follow up with Yafaray] next week [item 6, Outstanding minutes] results for "Meeting minutes for Meeting Wednesday, August 19th, 2009": Yes: 8, Abstain: 1 [item 7, Items up for discussion] [item 7.1, SPI resolution 2009-10-11.jj.1 (Holding debian.org.tw Domain in trust)] <Ganneff> fine. so, come up with either a list of names or a sentence that makes spi easy to decide dot wants a transfer, i think? will work that out with them and come back [item 8, Any other business] <linuxpoet> Just that PostgreSQL Conference West is this week :) <cdlu> and OFTC is in the midst of annual elections :) <Hydroxide> if this meeting were in a day or two, I'd probably be able to announce DC10 dates, but not yet [item 9, Next board meeting] <bdale> I believe our next regularly-scheduled monthly meeting should be November 11th at 20:00 UTC. <Hydroxide> zobel: I was six weeks premature myself... 21:23:52 <bdale> Ok, thank you to everyone present for participating today. 21:23:53 <bdale> *GAVEL* TIMED LOG 21:00:01 <bdale> *GAVEL* 21:00:01 <bdale> [item 1, Opening] Welcome to today's Software in the Public Interest board of directors meeting, which is now called to order. 21:00:01 <bdale> Today's agenda and details of pending resolutions can be found on the web at: http://www.spi-inc.org/secretary/agenda/2009/2009-10-14.html 21:00:12 <slef> Ganneff: I don't know, but I got lots of stuff about 501(c)(3) when I asked. 21:00:15 <bdale> [item 2, Roll Call] 21:00:15 <bdale> Board members, please state your name for the record. As we have nine board members, quorum for today's meeting is six. 21:00:15 <bdale> Guests (including board advisors), please /msg your names to zobel if you wish your attendance to be recorded in the minutes of this meeting. 21:00:16 * Hydroxide suggests we delay the debian.org.tw stuff to the appropriate point in the meeting 21:00:17 <schultmc> Michael Schultheiss 21:00:20 <Ganneff> Joerg Jaspert 21:00:20 <Noodles> Jonathan McDowell 21:00:21 <Hydroxide> Jimmy Kaplowitz 21:00:22 <bdale> Bdale Garbee 21:00:23 <linuxpoet> Joshua D. Drkae 21:00:23 <cdlu> David Graham 21:00:24 <linuxpoet> ehh 21:00:25 <zobel> Martin Zobel-Helas 21:00:27 <linuxpoet> Joshua D. Drake 21:00:55 <bdale> quorum met .. who's missing .. luk_? 21:00:58 <schultmc> yes 21:01:05 <Hydroxide> luk_: ^^^ 21:01:09 <luk_> Luk Claes 21:01:15 <bdale> cool 21:01:22 <Hydroxide> full attendance! wow! :) 21:01:23 <bdale> [item 3, President's Report] 21:01:23 <bdale> A warm welcome to our new associated projects Path64 and OSUNIX! 21:01:23 <bdale> I've had conversations with more potential associated projects, particularly because of my participation in LinuxCon and the Ohio LinuxFest 21:01:23 <bdale> last month, but nothing that needs to be discussed today. 21:01:26 <bdale> Next week I'll be in Tokyo for the Japan Linux Symposium. 21:01:36 <bdale> any discussion? 21:01:58 <bdale> [item 4, Treasurer's Report] 21:01:59 <bdale> Michael? I note associated project equity numbers are down a bit this month, it feels good to see donations being put to use! 21:02:10 <schultmc> A routine report is in the agenda 21:02:29 <Hydroxide> thanks schultmc - looks good to me 21:02:35 * Hydroxide agrees with bdale too 21:02:39 <schultmc> The HeliOS Project's negative balance is temporary - they've already received donations to make up the shortfall 21:02:50 <bdale> schultmc: good to know 21:03:04 <bdale> anything else to report or discuss here? 21:03:05 <cdlu> besides, deficits are in vogue. :) 21:03:09 <linuxpoet> ahem 21:03:10 <schultmc> not from me 21:03:20 * cdlu moves to approve treasurer's report 21:03:23 <bdale> [item 5, Secretary's report] 21:03:23 <bdale> Martin? 21:03:30 <zobel> sorry for the delay. 21:04:09 <bdale> zobel: anything else other than minutes from you this month? 21:04:17 <Hydroxide> bdale: see agenda 21:04:25 <zobel> both Path64 and OSUNIX accepted 21:04:25 <Hydroxide> bdale: but it's redundant with your report 21:04:32 <Hydroxide> (well, not quite) 21:05:09 <zobel> we are preparing a press announce for both + for OpenWRT 21:05:19 <zobel> *done* 21:05:26 <Hydroxide> oh 21:05:32 <bdale> k, thanks. ask if you need any help with announcements 21:05:38 <bdale> Hydroxide: ? 21:05:39 <Hydroxide> one thing - someone should follow up with Yafaray 21:05:54 <bdale> was that in your to-do-list email? 21:06:04 <Hydroxide> bdale: no, Alvaro reminded me in IRC subsequently 21:06:07 <zobel> it was on-channel here yesterday. 21:06:24 <bdale> ok. I didn't see it, then. can someone who did take ownership? 21:06:27 <Hydroxide> they basically need the contributing members to be pinged for opinions and a resolution drafted for voting at November 21:06:42 <Hydroxide> and keep Alvaro in the loop 21:06:51 * zobel will do next week 21:06:57 <bdale> zobel: great, thanks 21:07:02 <bdale> anything else? 21:07:05 <Hydroxide> was sent to board@ and officers@ on September 21 21:07:08 <Hydroxide> ok 21:07:13 <Hydroxide> nothing else from me on this topic 21:07:25 <bdale> [item 6, Outstanding minutes] 21:07:26 <bdale> Martin? We have Jimmy's final set ready to approve today, I think? 21:07:44 <Hydroxide> they are indeed there. 21:07:44 <zobel> we have Hydroxides minutes 21:07:56 * cdlu has read them and is prepared to move the motion 21:07:57 * zobel hasn't done the September ones yet. 21:08:18 <bdale> I'm ready to vote, and will look forward to the Sept ones at our next meeting 21:08:32 <luk_> Hydroxide: for August 19th I send you my regrets, did you not get them? 21:08:45 <Hydroxide> luk_: I didn't see them ... can you remind me? 21:09:05 <Hydroxide> luk_: oh, there it is 21:09:23 <bdale> amend to mark as absent with regrets, then? 21:09:24 <Hydroxide> I'll amend it right now to note luk_'s regrets 21:09:28 <Hydroxide> and we can vote with that change 21:09:29 <bdale> k 21:09:33 <bdale> works for me 21:09:41 <luk_> ok 21:09:47 <bdale> zobel: do you have the voting machinery at hand? 21:10:48 - [email protected] has joined #spi 21:10:57 <zobel> Voting started, 9 people (schultmc,ganneff,noodles,hydroxide,bdale,cdlu,zobel,linuxpoet,luk_) allowed to vote on Meeting minutes for Meeting Wednesday, August 19th, 2009. - You may vote yes/no/abstain only, type !vote $yourchoice now. 21:10:57 - [email protected] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:11:07 <Ganneff> !vote yes 21:11:08 <schultmc> !vote yes 21:11:09 <linuxpoet> !vote yes 21:11:09 <Hydroxide> !vote yes 21:11:10 <luk_> !vote abstain 21:11:10 <bdale> !vote yes 21:11:12 <Noodles> !vote yes 21:11:12 <cdlu> !vote yes 21:11:14 <zobel> !vote yes 21:11:35 <zobel> Current voting results for "Meeting minutes for Meeting Wednesday, August 19th, 2009": Yes: 8, No: 0, Abstain: 1, Missing: 0 () 21:11:38 <zobel> Voting for "Meeting minutes for Meeting Wednesday, August 19th, 2009" closed. 21:11:48 <bdale> zobel: cool. thanks! 21:11:55 <Hydroxide> minutes amended 21:12:07 <bdale> zobel: and hopefully we'll have both sept and oct for next month's meeting? 21:12:37 <zobel> yes. i am on train this weekend, which gives me perfect time to prepare the minutes. 21:12:42 <bdale> great 21:12:45 <bdale> [item 7, Items up for discussion] 21:12:46 <bdale> [item 7.1, SPI resolution 2009-10-11.jj.1 (Holding debian.org.tw Domain in trust)] 21:12:46 <bdale> Joerg? I remain concerned about how "unanimously" should be determined in the resolution as posted? Otherwise this seems simple to me. 21:13:09 <Ganneff> ay. didnt get much back from the dot guys yet. 21:13:30 <Ganneff> i think going with a list of people would work out in the end, even if its not ideal. 21:13:33 <bdale> I note slef's concern about transfer of an asset out of the country, though. I don't think it's a problem for this class of asset, but I'm certainly not an expert on this aspect of the rules. 21:13:46 <Hydroxide> I remain concerned about "unanimously", and I share slef's concern about what our ability to transfer the domain is to some other nonprofit. I don't think that second concern is fatal to the resolution, since as much as we support a transfer, we're not going to go ahead and do it if it's not legal for us 21:13:56 <Ganneff> now, does this make it a problem to vote on, or can we just say "to be more specific"? 21:14:07 <slef> point of info: not my concern, just I was told when I asked on spi-general that it was difficult 21:14:22 <Noodles> Presumably if we're just holding the domain rather than paying for it then it's easier to give back to an organisation we're holding it for? 21:14:25 <Ganneff> i do not see where there could be a problem, as it goes bck to another npo. going to any person i could understand it. 21:14:27 <bdale> Ganneff: I'd rather have the issue(s) resolved before we vote. is there an issue of urgency here? 21:14:27 <Hydroxide> slef: thanks for bringing the issue up though 21:14:30 <Ganneff> though the laws can be crap 21:14:48 <fil> slef: that was for general cash though, no? 21:15:07 <Hydroxide> Ganneff: in this case we would probably just need some written assurances about how the domain would be used - e.g. we might get in trouble if we don't do those precautions and then the other npo gives it to MS 21:15:10 <slef> fil: I was more concerned about non-expendable assets. Cash can be spent. 21:15:34 <bdale> Hydroxide: legally, in the US it comes down to due diligence and best effort 21:15:39 <Ganneff> bdale: dont think so. only that having it done takes one thing out that makes people quarrel. 21:15:41 <Hydroxide> bdale: right, which is why I mentioned precautions 21:15:42 <Noodles> Is membership of DOT formally defined? 21:15:49 <Hydroxide> bdale: and written assurances 21:16:22 <Noodles> (ie how many people are required for "unanimous" and can you easily specify who they all are?) 21:16:40 <Hydroxide> bdale: anyway, I think that saying that we "support a transfer" is compatible with our plan to consult our lawyer/CPA and do it to the best extent we legally can. so the only issue with the resolution is "unanimously" and the definition of DOT membership 21:16:52 <bdale> one way to finesse this might be that we hold the domains on behalf of the Debian project, and agree to transfer them when and as directed by the DPL? 21:16:53 <Ganneff> Noodles: we can specify a list of people. i currently know multiple sites of the dispute and can ask both for names. 21:17:19 <Noodles> bdale: That sounds easier for us, if DOT/Debian agree. 21:17:23 <Ganneff> bdale: not sure that works out for them 21:17:24 <bdale> which is more or less what we would do for *any* asset we hold for an associated project? 21:17:36 <bdale> Ganneff: ok, just a thought 21:18:17 <Ganneff> see, its currently not under debian supervision, though its debian.org.tw. they are related and do mostly debian stuff, but its not debian controlled. saying the dpl decides, im not sure makes people like it 21:18:33 <bdale> I understand 21:18:48 <cdlu> however don't they use the name at the pleasure of the DPL/Debian project anyway? 21:18:57 <bdale> my inclination is to suggest that you nail down the details and we vote on this next month 21:19:09 <bdale> cdlu: that's an interesting question, but probably out of scope for this resolution 21:19:12 <Hydroxide> cdlu: debian does have a say due to its trademark, yes. 21:19:14 <zobel> i would propose to postpone a decission on that until stuff is solved (hopefully next month). 21:19:25 * Hydroxide agrees with bdale and zobel's suggestion 21:19:26 <Ganneff> fine. so, come up with either a list of names or a sentence that makes spi easy to decide dot wants a transfer, i think? 21:19:28 <linuxpoet> agreed 21:19:32 <Hydroxide> sounds good 21:19:33 <bdale> Ganneff: yes 21:19:49 <Ganneff> the "can spi transfer it away" thing is a non-issue i understand, in case of such a domain? 21:20:15 <bdale> I'm not worried about that question. I'm just worried about how SPI can know when to accept a transfer request cleanly. 21:20:20 <Ganneff> k 21:20:30 <Ganneff> will work that out with them and come back 21:20:34 - [email protected] has joined #spi 21:20:35 <bdale> ok, great 21:20:42 <Ganneff> so next then :) 21:20:49 <bdale> [item 8, Any other business] 21:20:50 <bdale> Do any board members have other items for discussion they would like to address briefly? 21:21:05 <Ganneff> i had something at the start, forgot it now. damn. :) 21:21:16 <linuxpoet> Just that PostgreSQL Conference West is this week :) 21:21:27 <bdale> linuxpoet: cool. hope it goes well! 21:21:30 <linuxpoet> thanks :) 21:21:31 <cdlu> and OFTC is in the midst of annual elections :) 21:21:41 <Hydroxide> cdlu: thanks for reminding me to vote :) 21:21:45 <cdlu> :) 21:21:56 <bdale> anything else? 21:22:06 * bdale pokes Ganneff in case his neurons are firing again... 21:22:07 <zobel> right, need to do that as well.... 21:22:08 <Ganneff> no 21:22:10 <Ganneff> they sleep 21:22:12 <Ganneff> damn them 21:22:14 <Hydroxide> if this meeting were in a day or two, I'd probably be able to announce DC10 dates, but not yet 21:22:27 <Hydroxide> so no 21:22:30 <bdale> Hydroxide: looking forward to knowing 21:22:34 <bdale> ok, let's move on then 21:22:38 <Hydroxide> bdale: see email to -team and feel free to give your thoughts 21:22:42 <bdale> [item 9, Next board meeting] 21:22:42 <bdale> I believe our next regularly-scheduled monthly meeting should be November 11th at 20:00 UTC. 21:22:42 <bdale> I will be returning home that day from the Linux Foundation End User Summit, but should be able to get online at meeting time. 21:22:42 <bdale> Any strong objections? 21:22:51 <Noodles> WFM. 21:22:57 <cdlu> WFM? 21:23:01 <Noodles> Works For Me. 21:23:02 <bdale> "works for me" 21:23:03 <Ganneff> wfm 21:23:03 <schultmc> "works for me" 21:23:05 <cdlu> oh 21:23:05 <Hydroxide> wfm 21:23:09 <linuxpoet> I will be in paris 21:23:10 <cdlu> ya, that should be ok 21:23:14 <luk_> dict saves me in cases like this :-) 21:23:15 <linuxpoet> so regrets now 21:23:16 <Ganneff> linuxpoet: they have net there too :) 21:23:19 <bdale> "waste (of a) fine meeting" 21:23:24 <linuxpoet> not when you are with your wife :) 21:23:25 <cdlu> it'll be rememberance day, and don't forget DST ends for most/all of us between now and then 21:23:27 <zobel> WFM (hopefully, if baby is not born then yet) 21:23:28 <jcristau> Ganneff: we do? 21:23:31 <Ganneff> linuxpoet: even then. 21:23:42 <Ganneff> jcristau: i think so. some cheap copy perhaps, but still net. 21:23:47 <bdale> linuxpoet: have fun! 21:23:48 <Ganneff> linuxpoet: its just if she lets you use it or not 21:23:49 <Hydroxide> zobel: I was six weeks premature myself... 21:23:52 <bdale> Ok, thank you to everyone present for participating today. 21:23:53 <bdale> *GAVEL* Hope that helps, -- MJ Ray (slef) LMS developer and webmaster at | software www.software.coop http://mjr.towers.org.uk | .... co IMO only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html | .... op _______________________________________________ Spi-general mailing list [email protected] http://lists.spi-inc.org/listinfo/spi-general
