This is no editorial and I'm not preaching guys, this is reality. So I hope
you guys will take a few minutes to try to genuinely understand this
important issue that effects all of us:

Lara Hartley wrote:

> In essense, for every free shot you give away, there is the potential of
> taking money from someone who places a real value on their work.

This is so true and much more.  And this does NOT mean directly taking
money from a pro.  This means that you are corrupting the media market for
selfish gain when you treat a business like a hobby.  Of course they will
take your cheap slides, even if they aren't that great, because you are
waving a carrot in 
front of them.  

Even though a lot of you guys think that just because this is a
hobby that this is OK.  It's not.  When you are submitting slides for
publication, you are dealing with a business, a business that operates
similarly and in the same business environment as the rest of the
publications which you do not submit to (regardless of the 'media buy' and
'usage fee' rates), but which we professional photographers do have to deal
with.  So when you give your work away (you flower, portrait, wildlife,
media and wedding "photographers" included), you are 'meddling' with the
ethics and the market in MY business, in some cases with little regard for
the ethics of what you are doing, which affects ME.  So no, this issue just
won't go away by ending a little thread on some list.  It's problem is much
bigger than
the railfan hobby, but the railfan hobby thrives in publications that are
businesses.  And this business must be done in a business like manor and
ethically, or it promotes corruption and abuse in the media industry in
general.  It won't kill you guys to pull your standards up off of the floor
and place a value on your own work.  

> I ask you, if you do not put a value on your work, how can you expect
> others to?

Great point.  Too bad some of you guys put a zero value on OUR work as
well.  

> Did you send a delivery/submission memo with terms, usage rights and
> "value" if lost on it?
>
> Did you send a cover letter that said in plain language what was to
happen
> to the images if they were not used or returned on time?
> 
> Did you take precautions so that you would know if the images had been
> received i.e a signed receipt?

You don't even have to do the last one, but just don't cry if they lose
your slides.  You guys can do these other things with simple form letters
on your computers.  Are you that lazy?  Don't know where to begin?  Just
ask one of us that does know, and we can help you.  By coincidence, I just
spent the last two days sitting in an American Society of Media
Photographers member business seminar on just the very topics that we are
discussing, so most of these issues are again fresh in my mind.  There are
other professional photographers on this list as well that may be able to
help you guys word a couple of simple forms, or at least get you the basic
content headings that you should include on even the simplest of these. 
Once you
have an idea of what you should have on paper, the stuff is so basic that
if you thought about it yourself a few minutes, you could probably do it
yourself.  It's all common sense.  Something that is required when doing
business these days.

> I understand that this is a hobby for many, but if you are submitting
> images for publication, then it has moved beyond mere hobby.

Bingo!  Hope it is starting to sink in folks.  Anyone who doesn't
understand what we are saying by now is way in over their heads with
something they don't understand, but this does not have to be a complicated
matter.  You owe it to yourself to take the time to submit material to any
publication correctly.  Connect the dots, guys.  

Thanks Lara,

Dave Cohen
Photographer
ASMP Member
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