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Scott Withrow studiously banged out on his keyboard: > How close do I have to get to avoid such hyperbole? A little farther away from the literal sense. > Who said anything > about duplicating successful shots with less-than-optimal ones? Me, because that is my opinion of what hobby shooting in high-sun is. Obviously yours is different. If I took the photojournalistic approach, as some do, then I would have to make the best of the lighting that I had at any given moment and get the shot regardless of what time of the day it is. Some days I do that while traveling, but not around here. Since I don't feel the need to single-handedly document the modern North American rail scene for future generations to come (please don't take that literally, it would be a great loss if we all miss those shots because I am not shooting them...), I do pass on shooting a shot if I don't like the way it looks. I have also shot this local area to death, so I am probably more picky about what I shoot here in St. Louis than you would be if you came here to shoot (invitation is open to all), since it would be fresh territory for you. I tend to shoot more of what I see while out of town, as most probably do. I was making a statement based on personal opinion. You were interpreting my opinion and applying it to yourself. What works for me may not work for you. > Who said > anything about power wedgies? I did in my example of a common high-sun shot. > Your "robot" analogy, while being a good bash, does not address the real > point I made, Then by all means, readdress it and send it again. No bash intended, just an analogy. > which was: When should the relevance of recording a scene > outweigh the desire for only "perfect" shots? I think everyone has to decide that for themselves, and when I make that decision, I have to make it on an individual shot basis. Part of my point that you may have missed was, most of us shoot the same thing a lot, and because of that, we should be able to pick the best time (and light) of the day to get the shots we want, rather than ignore the location of the sun and continue to shoot anyway... unless our objective was to just be out shooting, period. I know people that make decisions like "I have all day off to shoot, so dammit, I'm going to shoot all day". Unfortunately, in their haste to make up for their trackside time that seems harder to come by these days, when they finally do get out to the railroad, they can sometimes fall into the trap of quantity over quality. No need to debate or interpret this, it's not only my opinion, it's a fact. That was my point. If you missed it again, then just read whatever you want into it and apply it as you see fit. > I think my examples were > clear enough to make people consider whether a shot has to be perfect to > be of value. You are oversimplifying my counterpoint and stretching it to > the extreme. Have you ever considered a career in politics? :) > >Resist the urge to dilute the quality of your photography by only shooting > >what is a correctly lit shot, not just what is in front of you at the > >moment. > > Your advice/opinion is clear: Do not shoot in anything less than perfect > light, because doing so will degrade your photography. As mud. Try not to shoot in harsh light if you have a better alternative available. Sound better to you? I'm talking about choosing when to shoot, and you are talking about you are going to shoot no matter what, so why not shoot the train that is before you at any given moment? You have to answer that yourself. If I have to decide for myself, then one of my main determining factors is what the light is like at the moment. My priorities are mostly photographic. Some other people's are more closely aligned with 'rail journalism' and documentation. > My advice/opinion is: Think about it. You may not get a second chance at > your shot. If you turn your nose up at it now, you may never get that > opportunity again. If it's something you don't already have a better shot > of, accept the challenge to do the best you possibly can and take the > shot. Even if it's only one frame. Sounds like I have a lot more harsh lighting shots in my files than you do, and you don't mind making more. Well, I do for the most part, and that's why we all have opinions. > What do you possibly have to lose?? As much as I have to gain. Nothing. > That does not make me, or anybody else who might consider a high-sun > shot, a mindless backlit-wedgie-shooting-robot, if such a thing could > even exist. I certainly don't know any. Well, you know (of) me, and I was one. Now I tend to pass on the harsh light and just concentrate on the early morning and late afternoon. Why? Because that is what I like now, just like you like to document trains in all kinds of lighting. > I never said that I seek out, or prefer, high-sun shots. Of course not. But you will shoot them, and I generally will not. A difference in opinion. Like the Sheriff says, "What we got here, is a failure to communicate". > By the very nature of opinion, the only reason anyone ever expresses an > opinion is that they feel it has value, and that someone else may find it > of value and modify their behavior accordingly, to their benefit. If a > person didn't want others to take their advice, You imply a motive for everything here. That's a bit literal for this discussion forum which varies in interpretation as well as opinion. > (opinion) then why would they offer it? To express their own personal opinion for which this list is here for so that others can use it to make their own decisions, which means just that, deciding what they want on their own. 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