> On Dec 14, 2017, at 6:22 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> Alissa -
> 
> I think I am properly understanding your question - but as you reference two 
> non-existent sections in 
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-header-07
> 
> <snip>
> Section 5.2.2 of draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-header...
> ...
> Section 5.1.4 of draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-header
> <end snip>
> 
> I want to be sure.
> Could you provide corrected references and/or the precise text which raises 
> your concern?

My apologies, for some reason I was looking at 
draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-header-05 instead of -07 when writing up my 
ballot.

s/5.1.4/6.1.4/

s/5.2.2/6.2.2/

Thanks,
Alissa

> 
> Thanx.
> 
>    Les
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alissa Cooper [mailto:[email protected]]
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 10:42 AM
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>> Subject: Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-13:
>> (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
>> 
>> Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for
>> draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-13: Discuss
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>> 
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> DISCUSS:
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> I ended up reading draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-header in tandem with
>> this document, and I have a question arising out of that. The trust model for
>> SRv6 outlined in this document appears to be one of reliance on the fact that
>> an SRH will only ever be inserted and appear within a single administrative
>> domain.
>> But Section 5.2.2 of draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-header talks about an
>> SRH being inserted by a device outside of the segment routing domain.
>> Which is correct? I think this is an important question because the whole
>> trust model for the SR information seems to rely on out-of-band trust
>> between participating nodes.
>> 
>> I also think this is important because there is no discussion in this 
>> document
>> of the impact of the inclusion of the SR metadata on the fingerprinting of 
>> the
>> device that inserted it. Section 5.1.4 of draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-
>> header sort of alludes to this but seems to equate the capabilities of an
>> active attacker (who can conduct a traceroute) with a passive attacker who
>> could passively collect topology/fingerprinting information simply by
>> observing SRHes flowing by on the network. If the limitation to a single
>> administrative domain is meant to prevent such a passive attack (not sure if
>> that is really true, but perhaps the document assumes it?), that's another
>> reason that the existence of such a limitation needs to be clarified.
>> 
>> 
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> COMMENT:
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> 
>> Per my DISCUSS comment, I think this document needs to include some
>> considerations concerning the additional metadata that SRv6 adds to the
>> packet.
>> This has implications not just for passive observers but also for any node 
>> that
>> logs the SRH.
>> 
> 

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