Thom,

Thanks for heartfelt response. I take fire protection very seriously,
perhaps too seriously? Serving with the fire service, having worked in
the industry and now as an AHJ I have a bigger appreciate for the
situation. I'm proud to say that codes and standards aren't the only
reason sprinklers get installed in our jurisdiction. It's also a matter
of education and we take the time to extend this important function,
hence the payoff for our firefighters and neighbors.

But I had a bad experience. After promoting residential sprinklers with
a major developer we finally got a discretionary sprinkler install over
VA protected construction.  Unfortunately the sprinkler contractor
dropped the ball, delayed the project resulting in the developer telling
us "this will be the last time unless it's mandatory".

9/11 gets a lot of attention, 3000 people perished that day and our
building codes are poised to reflect that. Yet in the time since 9/11
14,000 people have perished in home fires. Strength in numbers I
suppose. 

In the meantime we'll keep working with tools we have, push for new ones
and keep fire sprinklers in high regard amongst ourselves, developers
and builders, firefighters and the public.

Sincerely,

John Drucker
Fire Protection Subcode Official, Borough of Red Bank,NJ 
Captain Station 8, Middletown Twp Fire Dept., NJ
Former Project Manager World Trade Center, NYC




-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thom
McMahon
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 3:54 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Sprinkler Save - Topeka Frito-Lay plant

John:
We all like to think we're doing a good job. That what we do makes a 
difference, and saves lives, and property. But we also are a very
frustrated 
bunch. We know we have the tech. to put a serious reduction in fire
related 
deaths. Also in property fire loss. Yet after years of demonstrating the

effectiveness of sprinklers, and butting our heads against beurcratic
walls, 
we are less than surprised that sprinkler systems work. In every major
metro 
area, they work on a daily basis, for the rest of the country, its less 
frequently, but just as effectively. Does it make the news? No! Why?
Because 
its usually an"Non-event".
For us to make fun of what we consider Obvious, is just another release,
for 
the frustrating fact that, We Know It works! We jump on the bad press, 
because usually they miss the central facts, that no one died from the
fire 
or fire sprinklers, that the building is still standing and repairable,
and 
while it may be inconvenient for some, funerals never come at a good
time.
Lets be honest. 3700 or 3800 people that die in fires each year, 
statistically just doesn't have much impact on our society. The fact
that 
most of those are the elderly (That we've already stopped listening too)
or 
the very young. (Too young to have a political voice) They make an
impact on 
our system of government even less. It offends our system of values that

these two groups suffer the most, but most Americans couldn't tell you
how 
many children under 18 died in residential fires last year. As the baby 
Boomers become the Gray panthers, and end up statistically more at risk,

some movement will probably happen in senior residential markets, (as
we've 
already seen in the Nursing Homes) but even the voice of that large
group 
will eventually and literally Die out.
Our Fire Fighters, Our Hero's are also at risk, due to the lack of fire 
sprinklers in most building fires. But we have a history of not
compensating 
our Hero's as well as our CEO's. If we put the same value on the life of
a 
fire fighter as we do on the Ex-Chairman of Home Depot, we'd be
sprinklering 
everything out there. Life Ain't Fair.
Sometimes humor, even morose humor is preferable to depression.
I find Smoked Bar-BQ flavor chips, funny. Burn victims are not so
laughable.

Thom McMahon
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136
Tel: 970-879-7952
Fax: 970-879-7926
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Drucker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 2:25 PM
Subject: RE: Re[2]: Sprinkler Save - Topeka Frito-Lay plant


> Why am I not surprised. Post a story about water damage or drowning
and 
> the
> list comes to life defending sprinklers to the Nth degree, post a
positive
> story about a sprinkler save with a favorable outcome and the list 
> responds
> with this sort of crap.
>
> A sad day.
>
> John Drucker
> Fire Protection Subcode Official (AHJ)
> Red Bank, New Jersey
>
> PS- The email forum like many others is archived in the public domain.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Coastal
> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 12:06 PM
> To: Steve Leyton
> Subject: Re[2]: Sprinkler Save - Topeka Frito-Lay plant
>
> Hello Steve,
>
> Naw  Could be a new flavor   Blackened Cajun Style.....
>
>
> (Ducks and Runs)
>
> Saturday, February 3, 2007, 12:01:18 PM, you wrote:
>
>> Are they switching this line over to the BBQ flavor then ...??
>
>> Okay, okay, I'm sorry.
>
>> Steve Leyton
>> Protection Design & Consulting
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Drucker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 6:45 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Sprinkler Save - Topeka Frito-Lay plant
>
>
>> Hats off to the sprinkler designers, installing and maintenance
> contractors
>> for a job well done. Perhaps the AFSA should start a program
recognizing
>> those who's performance make's these sort of positive stories
possible ?.
>> Story below;
>
>> John Drucker
>> Fire Protection Subcode Official (AHJ)
>> Red Bank, New Jersey
>
>>
>
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> Charles Thurston
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