My local ASPE chapter has been contemplating this for sometime. We have a lot of newbie's and the old "seat of the pants" plumbing PE's are beginning to retire. They're all getting into hydraulics here and it's good and not so good. If you don't know the basics and then support that with calculations, oh boy. An AFSA beginning layout school (but don't call it that) road show would be perfect for many of these guys. I realize this is a stray from the original thread but look how important a second look is/was. Unfortunate circumstances lead to it but if you didn't see this, just imagine. Was this that hotel with the fire pump on the second floor George? The one hear Hershey Park? Yummy! FGOL at Hershey Park that day, we had fun. A chocolate buzz all the way back to Boston.
FWIW- I'm on my 3rd and 4th firefighters right now. They're perfect part-timers fellas. Plus, they come with benny's. I have a Lt. who has been with me for 5 years. He does 2 24 hr. tours and works for me 2 days a week. I want him to move to fire prevention because of all he knows but he's spoiled, can't really blame him. He goes for his journeyman's this August. I interviewed one from a neighboring town who I plan to put on this summer. I had this one private who was an ace on a 300. He could fab for three guys and keep up. Mark the pipe, make on the fitting, dope both ends and slide on the hanger. He was great. We met last summer and he told me of a high rise they were on and they usually would shut down the main but he knew enough to shut down the floor controls and also knew they were checked-off and could keep the standpipes going. He said the Chief gave him a big pat on the back. Plus, he pumps gradually now, no more slamming. Sorry for the digression and pontification. Tom -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of George Church Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 10:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CPVC products In this case, the competent inspector saved the day- although I believe the engineer for the bonding co would have proceeded on our identification of the problem, they were very standup for making it all correct. Had someone not looked at this, and just buttoned it up, it'd have been a disaster waiting to happen. The spkr design engineer, tho, was grossly mistaken and his response, blindly clinging to years of experience as evidence of infallibility, scares the heck outa me. Since no one checks the checker, we need to address making the checkers as competent as possible. And with the amount of training to be done, industry efforts by trade associations alone aren't near enough. We should all take a little time out once in a while to aid the effort. Compare it to hiring a layout tech trainee, even if it is from a related field- as in the firefighter getting hurt becoming the dept's inspector- how long does it take to enable them to not only know what's right in plan review, but to be able to recognize errors and variances in the field- and evaluate if they are serious enough to cause alarm and further action. glc -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Sincaglia Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 1:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CPVC products As an actual PE....I'm offended...not by your comment, but by the fact that this guy, if he is a PE, really should not be nor should he play one on TV. Paul Sincaglia, P.E. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Church Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 12:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CPVC products Our only experience with white PVC glue was a take-over job, a hotel that had white glue that let go at 65 PSI during testing. Maybe you do a better job of inserting and twisting than this contractor; but this guy's designer (I can say that, the guy claims to be a PE) stated the job did not need a fire pump -and he knows, having done this for over 50 years. We looked at the gauge (28 PSI static at 5' AFF), looked at the street (about 800' away), looked up (3 story hotel) and ran a drain test (dropped like a stone) and ran calcs on what was left of the installation drawings after the hotel sat empty over a winter; installed a fire pump as an extra to the couple grand job of doing the punch list. Gotta love those bonding companies.....and old-time engineers that don't need evidence to know they're right. R I g h t.... glc _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
