If you are calculating 2 heads in a system with a .05 density, what is a
full flow test going to tell you?  Let's say you have 50 psi static and 20
residual at 1500 gpm.  With 2 heads at 20 gpm each, what is your residual
pressure on the flow test given at 40 gpm.  You may have 49.9 psi available.
I believe that is why they are saying that a pressure test is an adequate
test for a 13d calculation.  Now, you still have to account for the friction
/ elevation losses from the test point to the base of riser and through the
system. 

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Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 9:37 AM
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Subject: Re: historic building and shooting the messenger

Scott,

1.5" pipe TO the street or IN the street?

On 4/26/07, å... .... <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Do you recommend flow tests for residential systems?
> I want one, but most people are telling me, the 1.5 inch pipe out in 
> the street with 50 psig is enough.  (1.5 inch?????)
>
> Does not seem like enough information to me.  Don't have a level of 
> comfort with it.  Have 2 stories above grade and want to use extended 
> coverage heads.
>
>
> on the other note:
>
>
> All messages COULD fall under "don´t shoot the messenger."
> I was not.
> funny, most of my career, people have said I am too sensitive to 
> criticism.  As a result of taking what I considered my share of lumps 
> for "rebel" views, I adopted a mindset that my person is separate from 
> my ideas.
> Shoot my ideas down, please.
> If the ideas are good, they will rise again anyway.
> That is what this forum is for, yes?
>   candid, open, and non-personal debate.
> No personal criticisms are intended (though I can
>   see how they could be so construed).   I am only
>   intending to contend with ideas.  Yes, it is true
>   that some of us (myself included) have more
>   dumber ideas than others. This is the life.  Others
>   must suffer through me.
>
> small minds argue about people
> average minds argue about things
> great minds argue about ideas
>
> Elenoar Roosevelt
> (also attributed to Hiram Rickover)
> she was older, so based on thet idea that
>   she had more, and before, time,  she gets
>   the credit here.  Although it is a good bet
>   they rubbed elbows at White House dinners.
>
> i will try to leave my ego out of
>   the debate, and try to leave the
>   safety ON, on my gun.  this forum
>   provides lots of good informaiton. keep
>   offering new ideas.
>
>
>
> scot deal
> excelsior fire
>
>
>
> > This one would fall under don't shoot the messenger also.
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