Greg,
The exclusion in 13D does not make mention of a thermal barrier, but
it does in 13R and 13. (2002 versions)
Todd.
At 08:44 AM 4/27/2007, you wrote:
Dale,
We are actually working on a 13d system and he let it slide. But when he
explained his decision and reasoning I HAD to get in to it to see if he was
correct on a broader scale. I think he is wrong but I see his reasoning.
For those interested - His reasoning is based on 8.15.8.1.1 which states
that bathrooms do not require sprinklers that do not exceed 55 sq ft, AND
that have walls and ceilings of noncombustible or limited-combustible
materials with a 15 minute thermal barrier rating.
The he defines thermal barrier in 3.3.18 and determines from this that there
must be a rated door there to meet the criteria.
Thanks,
Greg
Living Water Fire Protection, LLC
1160 McKenzie Road
Cantonment, FL 32533
850-937-1850
Fax: 850-937-1852
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 7:17 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: bathrooms in 13 residential
You're right.
Our overall relationship with this FM is good, we did in our case just
ate heads and went on.
If enough contractors approach him in this argument, maybe he will see
the light.
We wish Greg the best of luck in this round.
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 7:05 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: bathrooms in 13 residential
Dale,
Let's try that again.
Don't feel bad. I've a badge thumper out here who claims that the
"least dimension" in a closet should be measured from the face of the
wall to the outside, yes, I said outside, of the closet door.
Sometimes, you simply have to shake your head, and just do what they
want.
I sure wish it were otherwise.
PARSLEY CONSULTING
Ken Wagoner, SET
760.745.6181 voice
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Dale Wingard wrote:
> There is no written local amendment just his interruption.
> He's the FM so you could take it to the FC.
>
> We even gave him a copy of ASFA's Informal Interruption, he still
> would not accept it.
>
> Dale F. Wingard, CET
> Senior Designer
> Triple "A" Fire Protection, Inc.
> 251.649.2034
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George
> Church
> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 4:31 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: bathrooms in 13 residential
>
> a) Does he have a local amendment adding this requirement?
> b) Does he have a boss?
>
> glc
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale
> Wingard
> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 4:05 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: bathrooms in 13 residential
>
> Understand. We have already been down that road with him, bottom
> line, he wants the head. If you read the definitions for bathroom and
> compartment in NFPA 13, you will see that it is very clear that they
> are separate rooms. We were not able to get him to accept it even
> when we showed him what was in black and white.
> Good luck,
>
> Dale F. Wingard, CET
> Senior Designer
> Triple "A" Fire Protection, Inc.
> 251.649.2034
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg
> McGahan
> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 2:45 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: bathrooms in 13 residential
>
> I am talking to Orange Beach. However, I want to know the TRUTH
> regardless of what TP requires. He is hung up on the "required level
> of protection"
> statement. Where do we define this level?
>
> If it is an AHJ call then I understand. If it is written then we have
> a discussion point.
> Greg
>
> Living Water Fire Protection, LLC
> 1160 McKenzie Road
> Cantonment, FL 32533
> 850-937-1850
> Fax: 850-937-1852
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale
> Wingard
> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 2:38 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: bathrooms in 13 residential
>
> Greg,
>
> A compartment only requires a minimum of 8" lintel, it can have a
> cased opening.
> However, if you are talking about Orange Beach, then you will have to
> add the head.
>
>
> Dale F. Wingard, CET
> Triple "A" Fire Protection, Inc.
> 251.649.2034
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg
> McGahan
> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 1:42 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: bathrooms in 13 residential
>
>
>
> NFPA #13 2007 edition
>
> A.3.3.2 Bathroom. A room is still considered a bathroom if it contains
> just a toilet. Additionally, two bathrooms can be adjacent to each
> other and are considered separate rooms, provided they are enclosed
> with the required level of construction.
>
> I have an AHJ that is stating that this excerpt from NFPA #13 is
> requiring a toilet room to have 20 minute walls to be considered a
> separate room with a UL listed door.
>
> Has anyone researched this? Is this the intent in 13?
>
> Thanks,
> Greg
>
> Living Water Fire Protection, LLC
> 1160 McKenzie Road
> Cantonment, FL 32533
> 850-937-1850
> Fax: 850-937-1852
>
>
>
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