Because at this point in time the philosophy is to build a cheap structure
and rake in money. Add Hi X foam would add a tremendous amount of money to
the structure with the huge open doors that are open almost all of the
time
that would have to automatically close, etc.
Would there also be an environmental concern being, oddly enough for these
facilities, right on the water?
The only way this will get resolved is to make it code to do "whatever",
otherwise they will keep building the cheap buildings and we will keep
discussing it. The truth is that someone has to protect them and somebody
is
going to design them. Do we leave these to the "low ballers" and
unscrupulous companies doing the absolute minimum? Or do we try to do
something that would arguably be at least "better"?
How bout this argument from Matt? "NFPA 303 states protect in accordance
with 13 for plastics with solid shelves. If we follow that and layout
based
on Chapter 12, do we not fall under the umbrella of NFPA?"
Living Water Fire Protection, LLC
1160 McKenzie Road
Cantonment, FL 32533
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Charles
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 12:52 PM
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Subject: RE: boat storage
Thom, I'm with you on this Hi_X! . I suggested it last time we had this
discussion and got no nibbles
on my bait. I'd like to see some tests tho.
Burton Ford
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Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 1:46 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: boat storage
I have always thought that this is a storage configuration that beg's for
a
High Expansion Foam Solution.
Lighter than water, tends to fill all the readily accessible spaces
including cockpits and under boats.
Works for fuel fires and would seem to work for most "Resin based fiber
Glass" fires as well.
Fairly easy clean up, and containment might even be possible with those
hanging strip clear curtains the forklift can drive thru.
Anybody on the HiX committee have any words of caution? (I'll probably
never
see another one of these, here, but they're interesting none the less.)
Thom McMahon
Firetech, Inc.
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From: "Greg McGahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 9:01 AM
Subject: RE: boat storage
True that.
Some of the steel people are beginning to figure the weight of the water
in
the rack design.
This issue MUST be addressed and put to rest by the IBC, NFPA, FM or
someone
soon, or I think disaster is in the wings.
I have no replies with successful saves IN a boat storage facility from
this
forum.
Greg
Living Water Fire Protection, LLC
1160 McKenzie Road
Cantonment, FL 32533
850-937-1850
Fax: 850-937-1852
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roland
Huggins
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 9:56 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: boat storage
The issue is not boats in a berth sitting in the water. That one is
simple since it is just a building covering a low level of storage.
He is asking about boats stored on racks several levels high. It's a
nasty item. No contractor in their right mind should attempt to
DESIGN it. Even with the engineers copying designs from contractors
in the Florida panhandle, LEAVE IT TO THE ENGINEER. Now I can say no
engineer in their right mind would touch it unless the client was
willing to make some very limiting modifications to the layout of the
racks.
Many of the facilities have adjustable racks to accommodate boats of
different heights. I've heard of people putting side wall heads in
the columns to cover the area beneath the boats. You think maybe
they were ignoring that you need the heads to activate in order for
the water throw to count as covering the area? Group A plastics on
racks with LOTS of surface area and LOTS of air flow is not a recipe
for a slow burning, modest fire.
Speaking of racks, these also often do double duty by supporting the
roof as well as the boats. You think they include the weight of a
water filled boat as part of the load for designing the rack?
Roland
On Aug 9, 2007, at 2:24 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Are you having to prove the worth of sprinklers in this type of
installation?
Any idea of the value of loss in storage docks WITHOUT sprinklers?
Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Group
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491
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McGahan
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 4:41 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: boat storage
I know this subject has been thoroughly abused so let's try a
different
angle.
Does anyone know of any successful saves due to a sprinkler system
in a
boat storage facility?
This issue is not going to go away and there is only going to be
more of
them built.
Greg
Living Water Fire Protection, LLC
1160 McKenzie Road
Cantonment, FL 32533
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