Don't scoff at the power of myth. I recently had a student from the architectural engineering program tell me residential sprinklers were a bad idea because the service costs tripled the price of a house. He also stated that when the testing was due the owner had to remove all his possessions and could not re-occupy the home until the carpet had been replaced. Figuring annual costs against the average going rate for a standard 2500 sqft home in these parts, the standard hourly rate for IT&M and a 50 year life span it worked out to about 700 man hours per year (or about 4 months) to do this non-required (per NFPA 25) IT&M. This does not include the time or cost of removing the owner's possessions, replacing the carpet (presumably the walls are not damaged by the four months of running sprinklers since it was the drenching of the carpet that required its replacement) and returning those possessions. Being a trained historian prior to engineering I of course wanted to know his references. Were they hearsay, secondary or primary? Was he a witness? He assured me he had many acquaintances and friends for whom this was an annual reality because they had made the mistake of installing sprinklers in their homes. This from a college student studying architecture. I promptly told him I had a ground floor opportunity for him in the ownership of a brand new suspension bridge. Unfortunately he just didn't have the requisite 10% of $850M. Probably was straddled with the cost of maintaining a sprinkler system.
On Nov 26, 2007 7:14 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "thousands in yearly service cost", uh, yeah right. > > > > > Craig L. Prahl, CET > Fire Protection Group > Mechanical Department > CH2MHILL > Lockwood Greene > 1500 International Drive > PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > Direct - 864.599.4102 > Fax - 864.599.8439 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.lg.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John > Drucker > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:08 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Wow - Info > > > I would think that the sprinkler industry would be interested in > refuting the statement; > > http://www.fireandsolution.com/heatdetector.html "These units represent > a low cost alternative to sprinklers, without the potential water damage > or the need to be yearly maintained saving thousands in of yearly > service cost." > > John Drucker > Fire Protection Subcode Official > New Jersey > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:58 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Wow - Info > > I saw some of these wind-up heat detectors several years ago. It was > one of those deals where the vendor bought everyone dinner at Ryan's > (buffet style)(it was a presentation to a group) and did the dog and > pony show for home protection. They were very pricy and the whole pitch > may have sounded great to someone with no technical background but he > sound like a snake oil salesman selling a magic elixir. > > > Craig L. Prahl, CET > Fire Protection Group > Mechanical Department > CH2MHILL > Lockwood Greene > 1500 International Drive > PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > Direct - 864.599.4102 > Fax - 864.599.8439 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.lg.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 8:44 AM > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Wow - Info > > I haven't seen these in a long time. Are these the mechanical coiled > jobs? > > > > > > > "John Drucker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 11/24/2007 07:24 AM > Please respond to sprinklerforum > > To > <[email protected]> > cc > > Subject > RE: Wow - Info > > > > > > > > > http://www.fireandsolution.com/heatdetector.html > > Thermal detectors should be in every room of home including garage and > attic. These units represent a low cost alternative to sprinklers, > without the potential water damage or the need to be yearly maintained > saving thousands in of yearly service cost. They detect heat only. The > most deadly fire on the loose! A fast growing, hot fire. Allow yourself > and your family time to get out of the home. "Catch it when it where it > starts"! This detector has saved thousands of lives. Only sold in > systems package for life safety. Contact us if you have any questions. > > Limited 25-year warranty. > Self-contained - no wires or batteries. > High sound warning levels - over 100 decibels. > Multiple temperature rating: > 1170 - 70 ft. space rating > 1360 -50 ft. space rating > 1750 -50 ft. space rating > Sealed and permanently lubricated. > Cannot rust or corrode. > Powered by an 18-foot stainless steel band. > Listed by "UL" of U.S.A., "ULC" of Canada and California State Fire > Marshall Faster response than sprinklers. > Over 1 million families protected. > Thousands of successful activations. > Sold only in the home by trained fire safety specialists. > > The Domain "Fireandsolutions.com" is registered thru Domains by Proxy is > > an > Internet company owned by Go Daddy CEO Bob Parsons, that offers private > domain registration to its users. Ordinarily, the domain owner's contact > information is listed in the WHOIS database. Using one of their partner > registrars such as Go Daddy or Wild West Domains, Domains by Proxy > leaves their information instead, guaranteeing some amount of privacy to > the domain owner. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul > Pinigis > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 10:29 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Wow > > I reviewed some of his writings, and he has an obvious bias against just > about everything.....except heat detectors. I wonder if he is one of > those guys who sells the wind-up heat detectors? > > Most of his statistics appear to be unfounded, and unsubstantiated. He > is also part of an organization the is out to expose the evils of the > ionization smoke detector...their message is very one-sides, but not > completely inaccurate. > > Paul J. Pinigis, P.E. > Chief Life Safety Engineer > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt > Willis > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 9:12 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Wow > > http://www.expertclick.com/NewsReleaseWire/default.cfm?Action=ReleaseDet > ail&ID=18844 > > > What a way to start the day... > > > > Matthew J. 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