That's all true, but I believe a joint committee was the reason for the
changes in the NFPA 13, 2007. And if you look at 2007 there are very
different requirements for bracing / spacing, and loads. All I'm saying is
that 2007 will provide seismic protection that has been judged to meet the
intent of ASCE 7. Furthermore to knowingly install 2002 standard, if ASCE 7
was required by spec. or building code, could be problematic. If the spec.
say's NFPA 13, 2002 and IBC 2003 or 2006, and you meet all of those
requirements, GREAT!
Our position has been to use 2007, and skip any possible issue's with 2002.
Thom McMahon
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136
Tel: 970-879-7952
Fax: 970-879-7926
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Hewitt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: Seismic Bracing and 2002 NFPA 13 Appendix
Tom,
I feel that this should be clarified further.
My understanding, at least as affected by the ICC Codes, is as follows:
The 2003 edition of IBC removes the reference to the use of NFPA 13 from
ASCE 7 2002 edition. (The version of NFPA 13 referenced is NFPA 13, 1999,
NOT NFPA 13 2002). NFPA 13, 2002 TIA 02-1 was the "fix" for this snub,
but IBC never actually issued a formal interpretation or Supplement
judgement stating that.
The 2006 edition of IBC does not have the same verbage removing NFPA 13
that IBC 2003 did, and also uses the NFPA 13, 2002 edition as the
reference document, NOT NFPA 13, 1999, but does add other stipulations for
its use.
The 2007 Supplement to the 2006 IBC removes all remaining hurdles by
simply adding a new section to the IBC 2006 Earthquake provisions,
allowing the use of NFPA 13 , with no other stipulations. Please note
that the NFPA 13 2002 version is STILL the reference document to IBC 2006,
NOT NFPA 13, 2007.
There is currently no version of IBC that references NFPA 13 2007.
Jeff Hewitt, PE, SET, SFPE (Professional Member)
Corporate Engineer
Bi-State Fire Protection Corporation
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Thom McMahon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: Seismic Bracing and 2002 NFPA 13 Appendix
Remember that if your spec. requires you to meet ASCE 7 requirements that
NFPA 13, 2002 was found not to meet these, however 2007 was accepted as
substantially meeting these requirements. Also there was a TIA to 2002 to
move toward meeting ASCE 7, but 2007 is much better.
Most AHJ's will accept the new Standard if presented as an alternate.
Thom McMahon
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136
Tel: 970-879-7952
Fax: 970-879-7926
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kurt Kingston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 10:10 AM
Subject: RE: Seismic Bracing and 2002 NFPA 13 Appendix
I'm re-posting this and any opinions or comments as to whether the
seismic bracing locations shown figures in the 2002 NFPA 13 Appendix are
OK to use would be appreciated.
Kurt Kingston
Commercial Fire Protection Inc.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt
Kingston
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 8:57 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Seismic Bracing and 2002 NFPA 13 Appendix
I would like to obtain your opinions as to whether the locations for the
seismic bracing in the 2002 NFPA 13 Appendix figures
A.9.3.5.6(a),(b),(c), and (d) are OK to use as shown if 2" and smaller
branch lines, and the structure is adequate to support the brace
spacing.
Thank you for your time,
Kurt Kingston
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Commercial Fire Protection Inc.
Mt Vernon, WA 98273
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