The amount of unsprinklered housing inventory is no doubt vastly higher on Stewart's side of the pond, where its not unusual to stay in a farmhouse from the 1600's. We get wrapped up in our own society, where we on the east coast see numerous buildings from the 1700's; never been to Seattle, but doubt there's much from the Revolutionary period.
We have pockets of success like Scottsdale, but in the continuum of history, 15 years of sprinklered residences is even a smaller % than the # of sprkr'd homes vrs unspkr'd in US. Certainly far easier to stay in sprinklered hotels in the States than most anywhere we've been. Too early for me to figure out which side of which pond Jack's on :) Wonder if firefighters aren't far safer entering an old home of dimensional lumber vrs a modern (unsprinklered) home with TJI floor system, regardless of sheetrock barriers; far less chance of floor collapse, I'd imagine. glc -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Kilavuz Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 9:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Another Save [Virus checked] Ron That's an old building 3-4 storey high in Ludwigshafen. Timber stairs burnt and collapsed before people got out, so there was a picture with a baby thrown down to authorities before the parents jumped down the 3rd floor window! I remember there were a lot of old buildings in Germany, I have seen many in Munich, Berlin, Frankfurt, Paris, Rome dating back to WW2 era, still in use as cheap accommodation. They would be below spec even in 60s, but authorities could not force owners to upgrade them before they could lease out. I have seen similar buildings in a lot of cities (perhaps not that old but close), including my home town, Istanbul. Cheers Jack C Kilavuz "Ron Greenman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] l.com> To Sent by: [email protected] sprinklerforum-bo cc [EMAIL PROTECTED] er.org Subject Re: Another Save [Virus checked] 05/02/2008 09:58 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] resprinkler.org THIS MESSAGE ORIGINATED ON THE INTERNET - Please read the detailed disclaimer below. **************************************************************************** * Stewart, That would be a "social club" hereabouts. There was an apartment building fire in Germany yesterday or this morning that killed nine (two children), left many homeless and made the international news (NPR--Washington DC bureau and not the BBC feed). On 2/4/08, Todd Williams - FPDC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What want to know is how many people were at the club when the fire started. > > > At 12:03 PM 2/4/2008, you wrote: > >Hello sprinklerforum, > > > >Near the bottom of the page > >http://www.topix.net/content/kri/2008/02/in-our-towns-2 > > > >MYRTLE BEACH > > > >Sprinklers put out gentlemen's club fire > > > >The Myrtle Beach Fire Department received a call at about 5:24 p.m. > >Saturday about a fire at the Masters Gentlemen's Club on 10th Avenue > >North, said Myrtle Beach fire Battalion Chief Bob Derr. > > > >Upon investigation, fire officials learned the club's sprinkler system > >had put out the fire before fire officials arrived at the scene, Derr said. > > > >There was a lot of smoke in the building, but no one was hurt, he said. > >About 10 to 15 people were at the club when fire officials arrived at the > >scene. 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