I agree but if for instance you have 12' between floors that puts your
intermediate landing at about 6' AFF.  If you have a 9' clg height your FCV
is now only 3' above the landing and your FHV is 4' above the landing.  That
puts your FCV at an elevation that anyone can tamper with it.  Unless I'm
missing something, this always creates a big mess in my opinion. 

Cliff

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Usually the FCV is up high enough not to become an obstruction.  You
want it out of reach for the average person to avoid tampering.


Craig L. Prahl, CET   
Fire Protection Group
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
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Craig,

I think the question John is asking is, if you do that, how do you pipe
back out from that point to the floor without your piping becoming an
obstruction
in the stairway?   

I understand that putting fire hose valves at the intermediate landing
can save you one valve per stairwell and that it provides a valve that
is accessible for the firefighter from either level but it sure makes
piping your floor control assemblies a pain in the butt from my
prospective.  I would always prefer to have my FHV and FCA on each floor
level.

Cliff
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Typically, if you're using a combination standpipe-riser you've got the
hose valves at alternate levels in the mid-point landings between
floors,  the floor control valves for the sprinkler systems are coming
off the same riser at each level where you've got a sprinkler system on
that floor.


Craig L. Prahl, CET   
Fire Protection Group
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
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On jobs where hose valves are required on the alternate landing, where
are you guys placing the floor control valves in relation to the
standpipe? 
For example, do you leave the standpipe on the alternate landing and run
up to the main landing and place the floor controls there?  Do you put
the controls on the alternate landing and run the sprinkler up to the
main landing and into the ceiling?  Do you use separate risers for
standpipes and sprinklers? ...............

Seems to me there's a bunch of different placement options but just
wanted to see what others thought was best. 

John Kaminski
Burt Hill
724-431-1388
http://www.burthill.com
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