I think the hazard is the most important part of the equation. If it is
light or ordinary hazard I don't think is much matters. The heads
located at the deck will activate first cooling those below the pipe
rack.

If it's a hazardous manufacturing building the obstructions need to be
evaluated. If it is ESFR then absolutely it's an obstruction.

FM has some information on water shields for heads under round ducts in
ESFR systems that could be applied to pipe racks if so inclined.

Ron Fletcher
Aero Automatic
Phoenix, AZ

  

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Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 8:07 AM
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Subject: Re: Treatment of pipe racks as obstructions

Jim,

Another area with many shades of gray......

I have run in to this at several hospitals and manufacturing 
facilities. Whether it will act as an obstruction is somewhat a 
function of how closely they space the pipe/conduit/cable trays. 
There is no clear definition of good or bad. Colloquially, if you 
can't see the sprinkler through the pipe rack (or have to squint to 
find it), then it is an obstruction. If you can see it, then it 
becomes judgement if it does obstruct the discharge. Lately I have 
found that if the facility has an HPR carrier, they tend to require 
sprinklers below most all of these racks.

As far as "collection", I don't think that is a path we want to go 
down. I do tend to treat these similar to a grated floor and 
recommend sprinklers with water shields, similar to rack sprinklers.

It would be really nice if someone could come up with a consensus of 
when two objects are sufficiently close that they act as one.



At 10:23 AM 7/9/2008, you wrote:
>All,
>
>Maybe I am not looking in the right sections, but I have not found 13,
8.5
>and 8.6 to be particularly useful in addressing pipes on pipe racks.
>
>For example, you have a situation where a pipe rack 5 ft. below
sprinklers
>that is 6 ft. wide with pipe diameters up to 8" (including insulation"
>with varying spaces between pipes.   What is the consensus on pipe size
>and spacing of pipes in a rack before it is considered a true
obstruction?
>  I realize the conservative approach would be to provide sprinklers
under
>the pipe rack, but that is not always feasible.  This seems to be a
gray
>area.  What about 2 tier pipe racks?
>
>If sprinklers are installed beneath racks, what is the consensus on
heat
>collection methods.  There are differing opinions and studies on this.
>Some say 12" x 12" collectors with downturned edges are good or not
good.
>Some say flat 12" squares are better.  Others say no to both or state
that
>collectors need to be much larger.
>
>Similar questions relating to cable trays.
>
>What say you guys and gals?
>
>Thanks,
>
>James L.(Jim) Roberts, PE/SET
>Fluor Corporation
>100 Fluor Daniel Drive - C104F
>Greenville, SC 29607
>864.281.5149
>864.281.4916(Fax)
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