did a job in White Plains, NY. All the cabinets are sprinklered. It is a 3-story department store> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:59:54 -0700> Subject: RE: Closets / cabinets> > So based on that would you provide a sprinkler below every shelf in order to adequately protect it? If we're going to hold to code, then you need to look at shelf storage requirements.> > If you read the description of the revision, I read it that the open floor area of the closet will now be part of the shelf system cabinet. There is no floor open to the room, there are doors on the unit.> > And protecting closet, well I can kind of accept, but a shelving unit with doors on the front, with no floor, well sorry but that just sounds silly.> > At some point reason needs to prevail.> > Craig L. Prahl, CET> Fire Protection Specialist> Mechanical Department> CH2MHILL> Lockwood Greene> 1500 International Drive> PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491> Direct - 864.599.4102> Fax - 864.599.8439> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.ch2m.com> > > -----Original Message-----> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Seidel> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 9:44 AM> To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org> Subject: Re: Closets / cabinets> > In situations like this the room's floor area now extends into the former closet's footprint. Therefore the sprinkler coverage needs to account for this recess in the wall. In other words if you call it furniture then it must occupy a space as furniture would. As we all well know, the standard cannot fit every situation, but there needs to be some accounting for these conditions that would make sense for the AHJ. For an extreme example, I do not think there would be an agreement to ignore former closets as such (assume they were 36" deep) when EC sprinklers are used at their maximum distance from the wall where the closets were.> > Allan Seidel> St. Louis, MO> > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 7:29 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > It's furniture. No sprinklers within. Well, unless someone is going> > to occupy it.> >> > NFPA 13, 2007, 8.1(7)> >> > [cid:658182813@05112008-3391]> >> >> >> >> >> > Craig L. Prahl, CET> > Fire Protection Specialist> > Mechanical Department> > CH2MHILL> > Lockwood Greene> > 1500 International Drive> > PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax -> > 864.599.8439 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ch2m.com> >> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Myles Knebel> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:09 AM> > To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org> > Subject: Re: Closets / cabinets> >> > Good question. I would say,"the closet is now a cabinet". I looked up> > cabinets in the index however I could not find 8.9.4.1.3.3. in the> > 2007 addition (missing).> > No references say anything about sprinklers inside cabinets so in my> > opinion the cabiets don't need to be sprinklered.> >> > Ergo> >> > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 12:21 PM, A.P.Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> > >> > > An office (light hazard) has several closets that have existing> > sprinklers.> > > Part of the renovation is to remove the closet doors and provide> > > built-in millwork recessed into the closet space. Essentially a> > > storage cabinet made of wood with shelves at about every 2 feet and> > > wooden doors. Is there any logical argument to provide or not> > > provide sprinklers within this space? As a general rule we don't> > > sprinkler furniture (although I don't think NFPA says it explicitly). Any comments?> > >> > > Tony> > >> _______________________________________________> Sprinklerforum mailing list> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)_______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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