But this is America, dammit, and we don't want anyone telling us what to buy and who to buy it from, right? Kinda' like labor ... eh?
I've had respect for NAHB's institutionalized resistance to residential sprinklers for many years - I just ardently disagree with them on this issue. But they are a trade group, like AFSA and NFSA, and their actions must reflect the will of their members. In fairness to NAHB, the VAST majority of their members are small builders who do fewer than 20 homes per year and the perception is that if only one of their homes is made more difficult to sell - in what has become a deeply distressed market - it represents a measurable impact to their business. Instead of fighting with NAHB - which we're not really - we should be looking at the partnering opportunity with regard to the water meter and capacity fee issues nationwide. THAT'S the major impediment to "affordable" residential sprinkler systems, along with haywire AHJ requirements for sprinklered attics and OH garages. Steve Leyton Protection Design & Consulting San Diego, CA -----Original Message----- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:36 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: ***SPAMTAGPTD: Re: leak statistic Well, they know our checking acct # since we belong to the NAHB and use their health insurance- heckuva value. It's too bad they don't treat us like the central vac folks- Just something else where someone else does the work, they can mark it up and make money on it. DUH. -----Original Message----- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of te...@protectiondesign.com Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:05 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: ***SPAMTAGPTD: Re: leak statistic George George George. The NAHB probably has the password to your computer.. T Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "George Church" <for...@ptd.net> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:46:04 To: <sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org> Subject: RE: leak statistic Shall we forward this over to the NAHB or should we assume they're already monitoring us? -----Original Message----- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org <mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org> ] On Behalf Of Matthew J. Willis Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 3:15 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: leak statistic Interestingly enough, FM Data sheet 8-21, Roll Paper storage, has a 15 year study of loss. This is broken down by fire, sprinkler leakage, water damage and a few others. Sprinkler Leakage was second highest at 24.7% of total loss. R/ Matt Matthew J. Willis Norred Fire Systems L.L.C. 318-387-1134 Voice 318-387-1163 Facsimile m...@norredfire.com -----Original Message----- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org <mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org> ] On Behalf Of å... .... Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 1:20 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: leak statistic All due respect Joe, I know you forgot more than i ever will know. but to say "there is no way" sounds a bit... well, too absolute. i don't believe in ever's, never's and forever's with most things. even if we developed a zero-point-one order model it would be better than simply throwing our hands up, again. just thinking out loud, but that 0.1 order model could begin with insurance company claims that were made and substantiated. sampling is a common tool of statistics. Statistics is as much an art as some geotechnics and fire protection, yet statistics has got us to leptons and hadrons. One need not inventory the entire population, to get a pulse on what is happening. i won't believe, but i still want to hear, what the numbers are that are out there. scot deal excelsior fire engineering And yes, i thank you and Steve and Thom and all for keeping me honest. but I am not trying to cheat on ya. _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: techsupp...@firesprinkler.org To Unsubscribe, send an email to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: techsupp...@firesprinkler.org To Unsubscribe, send an email to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: techsupp...@firesprinkler.org To Unsubscribe, send an email to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3865 (20090218)__________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com <http://www.eset.com> _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: techsupp...@firesprinkler.org To Unsubscribe, send an email to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3866 (20090218) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: techsupp...@firesprinkler.org To Unsubscribe, send an email to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
