CA Chapters AFSA proposal is attached. Have a great week! T Terri Simmons Leyton PROTECTION DESIGN & CONSULTING Ph: 858-751-2930 - ext. 101 Fax: 858-751-2933 Cell: 619-871-8450 When we share -- that is poetry in the prose of life. --Sigmund Freud
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rod DiBona Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Residential systems in California - Licensing Hi Terri, I would sure appreciate a copy of this as we are just starting here in SD. Thank You! Rod DiBona Rapid Fire -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Terri Leyton Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 12:04 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Residential systems in California - Licensing The CA Chapters of AFSA are working on a new bill for our State. If anyone would like a draft, shoot me an email directly and I will forward a copy. I also have a copy of the CA Sprinkler Fitter Assn's (Union) draft proposal for this legislative session. T Terri Simmons Leyton PROTECTION DESIGN & CONSULTING Ph: 858-751-2930 - ext. 101 Fax: 858-751-2933 Cell: 619-871-8450 When we share -- that is poetry in the prose of life. --Sigmund Freud -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Residential systems in California - Licensing In Washington we got the licensing crammed down our throats but the administration is in the hands of the State FM. Everyone will be tested as well as have to show proof of experience. Not the best world but a decent compromise. So we have licensing/certification for installers/trainees, designers, NFPA 25 inspectors, & contractors, but still not for plan reviewers or AHJ inspectors. Everybody has to meet uniform criteria and so far no group gets any special "grandfathering" apart from temporary certifications so that work can continue during transitions. These temporary certifications have sunset dates and require re-certification annually until the sunset date. Re-certification also requires the holder proving that he is working to meet the criteria for permanent status. On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 4:57 AM, George Church <[email protected]> wrote: > Todd, that depends if the fitter had 5 yrs experience 3x or if he had 15 > years experience. I'm sure during plan review you've shaken your head over > what NICET 3's send out. I saw one where the areas outside the dwelling unit > in #13r were residential- including the mechanical room and the owner's > archives. That ain't right, but they have the signature of a Level 3. And I > just got a copy of another competitor's dwg with a nice little NICET Seal in > the title block, as if this makes em a Jr PE or something. Anyone familiar > with NICET should know decades ago they banned the use of PE-seal > lookalikes. Considering NICET is located in the NSPE's HQ in Alexandria, > that's not a surprise. > > Mow if a state actually requires passing a test, well, that's a step in the > right direction. Grandfathering everyone is like giving everyone in High > School a diploma if they change the curriculum. They were here, so they must > be students competent to hold a diploma, right? Well, that's the logic of > grandfathering everyone. They've been hanging pipe for years, so we assume > they know how to do it correctly. > > glc > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Williams > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:22 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Residential systems in California - Licensing > > I have never run a contracting firm, but the whole issue of licensing > includes not just fitters and contractors, but engineers, designers > and even driving. Most licenses can only be obtained after a certain > skill level is reached and demonstrated. This gives us a benchmark on > how to judge a person's experience and understanding. It also shows a > person's level of dedication to the field if they have gone through > that process to get licensed. If you are looking to hire a fitter, > who has more credibility; the with 15 years of experience and has a > license, or someone who just has 15 years of experience? The license > gives definition. > > Was I any smarter the day after I took the PE exam than the day > before? Not appreciably. But I now had more credibility. > > > > Todd G. 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