If you will go to www.wsp.wa.gov/fire/sprinkler_fit.htm. It indicates grandfathering through march 30 with no examination. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message----- From: Ron Greenman <[email protected]> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:56:29 To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Residential systems in California - Licensing Forest, Washington isn't "grandfathering" at all. To maintain business continuity people already working in the trade and able to prove hours are being issued temporary certifications. Those certifications are good for one year and, if memory serves me, are renewable once if the applicant can demonstrate that he is working towards permanent certification. After that one renewal he will need to fulfill all requirements for an actual certification. The deadline for applying for temporary status has already passed and temporary certification expires completely, again if memory serves me, in December 2010. As I said, not the best solution (no installer, we don't use the F word here, certification would be best) but since we have legislation we're stuck and this is as fair as we were able to make. Rest assured that the union fought to have everything in their favor but I don't think this is going to work out like they had hoped. On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Forest Wilson <[email protected]> wrote: > Wa is granddathering in with proof of experience for a limited time. > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Greenman <[email protected]> > > Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:27:35 > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Residential systems in California - Licensing > > > In Washington we got the licensing crammed down our throats but the > administration is in the hands of the State FM. Everyone will be > tested as well as have to show proof of experience. Not the best world > but a decent compromise. So we have licensing/certification for > installers/trainees, designers, NFPA 25 inspectors, & contractors, but > still not for plan reviewers or AHJ inspectors. Everybody has to meet > uniform criteria and so far no group gets any special "grandfathering" > apart from temporary certifications so that work can continue during > transitions. These temporary certifications have sunset dates and > require re-certification annually until the sunset date. > Re-certification also requires the holder proving that he is working > to meet the criteria for permanent status. > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 4:57 AM, George Church <[email protected]> wrote: >> Todd, that depends if the fitter had 5 yrs experience 3x or if he had 15 >> years experience. I'm sure during plan review you've shaken your head over >> what NICET 3's send out. I saw one where the areas outside the dwelling unit >> in #13r were residential- including the mechanical room and the owner's >> archives. That ain't right, but they have the signature of a Level 3. And I >> just got a copy of another competitor's dwg with a nice little NICET Seal in >> the title block, as if this makes em a Jr PE or something. Anyone familiar >> with NICET should know decades ago they banned the use of PE-seal >> lookalikes. Considering NICET is located in the NSPE's HQ in Alexandria, >> that's not a surprise. >> >> Mow if a state actually requires passing a test, well, that's a step in the >> right direction. Grandfathering everyone is like giving everyone in High >> School a diploma if they change the curriculum. They were here, so they must >> be students competent to hold a diploma, right? Well, that's the logic of >> grandfathering everyone. They've been hanging pipe for years, so we assume >> they know how to do it correctly. >> >> glc >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Williams >> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:22 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Residential systems in California - Licensing >> >> I have never run a contracting firm, but the whole issue of licensing >> includes not just fitters and contractors, but engineers, designers >> and even driving. Most licenses can only be obtained after a certain >> skill level is reached and demonstrated. This gives us a benchmark on >> how to judge a person's experience and understanding. It also shows a >> person's level of dedication to the field if they have gone through >> that process to get licensed. If you are looking to hire a fitter, >> who has more credibility; the with 15 years of experience and has a >> license, or someone who just has 15 years of experience? The license >> gives definition. >> >> Was I any smarter the day after I took the PE exam than the day >> before? Not appreciably. But I now had more credibility. >> >> >> >> Todd G. 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